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Re:The human cost of the Kindle by twblalock on Saturday June 09, 2018 @11:16PM (#17276247)
What's a fair wage for his employees? How much more would it be than what they are currently paid?

Are people entitled to wages higher than the prevailing market rate simply because their employer is capable of paying such wages? Do you really want to live in a world where employees of rich people get paid more than employees of more average people? The vast majority of workers would not be lucky enough to work for a really rich guy and would be paid less for the same work than the few who do. That seems less fair than everyone being paid the market rate.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by hallman76 on Saturday June 09, 2018 @11:35PM (#17276320)
You seem to be approaching this from some sort of market optimization perspective where a race to the bottom is a good thing.

Consider what might happen if Amazon paid their workforce 5% more than their competitors instead of paying bottom dollar. Competition for that higher wage would improve the quality of their workforce (and then produce a higher quality product). Other employers would them also compete to get quality workers.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by twblalock on Saturday June 09, 2018 @11:43PM (#17276348)
From the standpoint of fairness, why should a worker at Company A make more than someone who does the same job at Company B, simply because the owner of Company A is richer than the owner of Company B? That's what I don't like.

I'm sure Amazon would be willing to pay more to well-qualified workers than to less-qualified workers. But that's not the type of argument I was responding to. The parent comment suggested that Bezos should pay his employees more simply because he can afford to.

I don't see how it's reasonable to base employee wages on the wealth of the company owner -- if Amazon stock tanked and Bezos lost a lot of money, should he cut employee wages? If not, then why should he increase wages when his personal wealth increases? It would be better for employee wages to be based on the employee's skills, not the employer's personal financial circumstances.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by yorwba on Saturday June 09, 2018 @11:57PM (#17276409)
Company A can't directly increase the pay of workers at Company B. But A can increase the pay of it's own workers, making it more desirable than working for B. The increased competition on the labor market requires B to raise their wages as well. All workers win.

The equilibrium may still not end up with A and B paying the same, but personally I care more about everyone having enough than everyone having the same, so even unequal wage increases are a positive in my book.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by dhruvkar on Sunday June 10, 2018 @02:39AM (#17276917)
The other side of this 5% increase is that its reflected in labor costs to Amazon, at which point they take their business elsewhere.

The justification for the wages being the wages is that that IS what the open market decided.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by ekianjo on Sunday June 10, 2018 @03:37AM (#17277051)
> produce a higher quality product

I was not aware Kindles were poorly assembled and subject to low yields in terms of quality currently.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by zoul on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:40AM (#17276564)
Can we improve their working conditions first and get philosophical afterwards?
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Re:The human cost of the Kindle by twblalock on Saturday June 09, 2018 @11:26PM (#17276287)
> Your comment possesses a meer veneer of reason.

Are you going to respond to the actual argument, or are you just going to be insulting?

Any argument about fair wages is going to hinge on notions of fairness.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by adamsea on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:29AM (#17278543)
Yes living in dormitories and working sixty hour weeks with no overtime and causing permanent physical damage to yourself because of the repetitive nature of your work and having no choice but to work for a company which breaks the labor laws of the nation in which it exists all in order to further enrich the wealthiest person in the world is very fair.
Re:The human cost of the Kindle by twblalock on Sunday June 10, 2018 @01:00PM (#17278962)
People line up outside the factory to apply for those jobs because they are an improvement over their current living conditions.

I suspect many of those people would be angry if self-righteous people in first-world countries made it more difficult to get those jobs, which is the effect that higher wages would have.

Re:The human cost of the Kindle by adamsea on Monday June 18, 2018 @01:08AM (#17336122)
If higher wages were required by law across the base would that really make those jobs more difficult?

And, I challenge you - find an interview with a Foxconn factory worker from a reputable news source, and let’s what they say. I am genuinely curious.