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Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by ShabbosGoy on Saturday June 09, 2018 @04:38PM (#17274852)
And it is a lifelong stigmatization as well. You will never be one of them, no matter how hard you try.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by iguy on Saturday June 09, 2018 @04:51PM (#17274922)
You can never ever become Chinese either. Nor Indian. Nor Nigerian. Nor Russian. Never mind Kuwaiti. The exception here is the west, both in terminology used for people originating elsewhere, and in actual beliefs.

[You, personally, may possibly have one exception on this list, roughly if you come from the edge of one of these, but never more.]

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by khallo on Saturday June 09, 2018 @06:31PM (#17275382)
I don't think the issue is about "becoming" any of those nationalities you mentioned. You might not be considered Indian or Nigerian or Kuwaitian in those countries, but you sure as hell won't be ostracized or receive disapproving looks. That is speaking generally since every country has racist/xenophobic people.

Blackface is quite common in Japan. Example: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42561815

They have more work to do on their attitude towards foreigners than opening up more immigration channels.

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by yorwba on Saturday June 09, 2018 @10:10PM (#17276055)
Blackface isn't necessarily racist.

Is the blackfaced actor used to make fun of black people? Probably racist. But that would also be the case if it were a black actor doing the same (it might just be more difficult to hire one for that).

Is it used to create tension between the obviously fake costume and the effort put into pretending that it is real? Probably not racist. I can imagine a show deriving great hilarity from casting everyone in a role they are not the least bit suited to and then trying to make it work anyway.

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by ShabbosGoy on Sunday June 10, 2018 @04:01PM (#17279893)
> Blackface isn't necessarily racist.

I remember the controversy of blackface being used in Tropic Thunder. I think you’re right that the intention behind it matters.

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by zeth___ on Saturday June 09, 2018 @06:34PM (#17275391)
Plenty of Russians aren't Russian. As long as you speak Russian and don't look obviously non-white you can pass for one pretty easily.

As an extreme and over the top example: Stalin wasn't Russian.

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by iguy on Sunday June 10, 2018 @03:33AM (#17277037)
Russia I know least about (in my list) so I could be wrong there. Maybe it's more like the West than I imagined. But Georgia is kind-of what I meant by "if you come from the edge of".

Are there people from Japan, or Somalia, who many Russians (and the newspapers) would unthinkingly refer to as Russian? (Not a rhetorical question!)

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by pandaman on Sunday June 10, 2018 @04:20AM (#17277135)
You are not wrong. There is confusion about the word "Russian". There are Russian nationality and Russian ethnicity. These are different words in Russian language but one in English and often confused (native Russian speakers add to that by misusing word "nationality", which, in Russian, means "ethnicity"). One can become a Russian national through immigration but one cannot become an ethnic Russian, obviously. Newspapers would not refer to anyone as ethnic Russian (русский) and use only nationality (россиянин) even for ethnic Russians. As for Stalin, he wanted to call himself (ethnic) Russian and it so happened nobody could object at the time.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by ikeyany on Saturday June 09, 2018 @05:11PM (#17275023)
How so? The west is well-known for treating ethnic minorities as the "other". I don't think your opinion is very common among them.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by iguy on Saturday June 09, 2018 @05:28PM (#17275101)
There's no utopia. That's all that's "well-known".

I guess my criteria (for the above) are something like this: an awful lot of British people, and 100% of newspapers, will describe the sprinter Sir Mo Farah as being British, and only get to his place of birth on page two. This pretty much doesn't happen elsewhere.

Although a reverse thing does happen, in which (for example) 2nd- and 3rd-generation british indians are not only welcome to almost all the privileges of Indian citizenship, but (if they become famous) are cheered in India. There is a lot of fawning over Priti Patel in the Indian newspapers, but obviously none at all in Ugandan newspapers.

Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by xkcd-sucks on Saturday June 09, 2018 @05:25PM (#17275093)
The state sanctioned Chinese language literally does not have a word for "ethnicnically foreign permanent resident/citizen of China"
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by thaumasiotes on Saturday June 09, 2018 @05:30PM (#17275110)
That would sound a little more convincing if you hadn't taken six words to define the concept in English.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by hueving on Saturday June 09, 2018 @06:47PM (#17275443)
"American" is the term in the US because it's not tied to ethnicity. "Chinese" is tied to ethnicity.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by yorwba on Saturday June 09, 2018 @09:55PM (#17276011)
English speakers may think of "Chinese" as an ethnicity, but it's different in Chinese. The default term is 中国人, which literally means "person from the middle country", which is quite obviously about nationality. If you want to talk about ethnicity, you'd use 汉人 for Han Chinese, 蒙古人 for Mongols and so on for any of the hundreds of Chinese ethnicities.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by closeparen on Saturday June 09, 2018 @06:19PM (#17275338)
“American” suffices over here. You need additional qualifiers to distinguish native-born from naturalized.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by krapp on Saturday June 09, 2018 @05:31PM (#17275117)
More than lifelong, in some cases, if you're Korean.
Re:Famous for its resistance to immigration, Japan opens its... by onetimemanytime on Saturday June 09, 2018 @05:59PM (#17275264)
You will never be one of them, no matter how hard you try.

I would not even try, I'm not Japanese. I can like their culture, work there, respect their laws and all, but Japanese I am not and will never be.