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Re:Charles Krauthammer note to readers: “My fight is over” by ravenscrow on Friday June 08, 2018 @05:37PM (#17269918)
That has never been the point of an opinion piece. The point of an opinion piece is to lie, cajole, trick, etc people into accepting your opinion or viewpoint. That's why newspapers separate news from opinion. The point of the opinion piece is opposite of getting people to think. The point of it is to stop people from thinking. It's to get people on your side.
Re:Charles Krauthammer note to readers: “My fight is over” by CWuestefeld on Friday June 08, 2018 @05:50PM (#17270012)
There are surely some people these days who approach things like this, and they come from both political polarities. But as DanielBMarkham points out nearby, it hasn't always been this way.

And even today, there are plenty of people who, I think, strive for finding truth (e.g., Scott Alexander, Megan McArdle)

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Re:Charles Krauthammer note to readers: “My fight is over” by CWuestefeld on Friday June 08, 2018 @06:41PM (#17270309)
We can start from a common set of objective facts, but because we all have our own values, we can get to a broad range of different conclusions from them.

A good opinion writer is not, as you assert, lying and tricking people. A good opinion writer is developing from our shared factual foundation through one possible set of values - and hopefully "showing their work" so we know what those assumptions are.

Thus, as DBM says, we can learn alot even from someone who reaches a conclusion different from the one driven by our own personal values. At the very least, we should learn that those we disagree with aren't evil monsters, but maybe trying to get to a vision similar to our own but in different ways.

I don't even want to read the opinion pieces that you seem to hold up as exemplary. I'm tired of the hatefulness and spite. It really is possible to communicate an opinion that's based entirely on agreed facts, to come to a different conclusion than someone else, and to do so without lying and tricking. That is what we should be striving for.

And I maintain that, e.g., Scott Alexander at SlateStarCodex.com is a sterling example of this. If you disagree, I'd love to hear why.

Re:Charles Krauthammer note to readers: “My fight is over” by carapace on Friday June 08, 2018 @08:12PM (#17270751)
If someone reads an opinion piece and changes their mind, is that not thinking?

Also, what you're saying is your opinion, are you trying to get people on your side? Is your goal in writing a comment here today is to stop people from thinking?