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Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by protonimitate on Friday June 08, 2018 @09:28AM (#17265067)
Because addressing the pipeline problem means admitting that racism is still alive and embedded in the foundations of our education and work force system.

You can't expect there to be more workers if there's no applicants. There are no applicants because there is a severe lack of Black people (among other groups) represented in Engineering/STEM degree programs. That stems from a lack of good public school education.

But like you said, it generates more clicks-per-article to blame the Big Bad Tech Companies for not being diverse enough, when really we as a national don't honestly want to see marginalized groups succeed. Americans operate by and large on a zero-sum assumption. Many believe that if one group of people succeeds, it somehow will undermine their own success.

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by noetic_techy on Friday June 08, 2018 @09:35AM (#17265147)
> when really we as a national don't honestly want to see marginalized groups succeed

How does that explain the success of Asian Americans?

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by protonimitate on Friday June 08, 2018 @09:44AM (#17265252)
I think that depends on how you measure success.

Strictly in business terms, sure they have more success than other groups, but I don't think (assuming here, no facts) they have over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders'.

If that's not true, feel free to correct.

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by todd8 on Friday June 08, 2018 @10:10AM (#17265525)
See [1] and [2]. For example, 2015 median household income for Indian Asians is $100K while the same statistic for white non-hispanics appears to be $63K.

[1] http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-in...

[2] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations...

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by dahdum on Friday June 08, 2018 @10:44AM (#17265894)
They also have much lower crime rates, much higher entrepreneurship, and higher educational attainment.

Skilled immigration is awesome for the US.

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by alphabettsy on Friday June 08, 2018 @02:58PM (#17268629)
This tends to be true for all recent immigrants, 1st and 2nd generation immigrants have much higher acheivement.
Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by noetic_techy on Friday June 08, 2018 @05:51PM (#17270021)
I think the other comments here point to the fact that this systemic racism argument doesn't hold up well against actual studies and data. It's an ill defined spectre that vanishes when you look closely.

> over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders'

Is that the bar here? Median household income has always been the bar when talking about the success of racial groups, not the number in leadership roles etc etc. I mean, are we only supposed to be satisfied when 4.8% of all leadership roles are held by Asian Americans? What about their cultural preferences? What about regional populations?

The truth is actual a lot more nuanced. It essentially boils down to a cultural and pipeline problem:

The study:

http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race...

The liberal viewpoint:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c...

The conservative viewpoint:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28473/nyt-claims-groundbreaki...

The counter arguments logic is hard to ignore. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by weiming on Friday June 08, 2018 @09:32AM (#17265103)
> when really we as a national don't honestly want to see marginalized groups succeed

This sounds like a very big statement and probably something that can be a long post in itself. Would you be able to expound on that?

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by camelNotation on Friday June 08, 2018 @09:43AM (#17265233)
There's a popular theory among the American left that classical liberalism (free speech, freedom of association, "equality of opportunity", etc) is actually an oppressive social structure devised by powerful white men to keep the poor and disenfranchised (minorities and women) from rising through the economic ranks. In the estimation of the American left, the "hands-off" approach of right-wing American politics is actually a "hold them down" approach since no one that is poor or disenfranchised can rise from poverty to wealth on their own. Instead, they favor increased spending on public institutions (like more money for public schools) that will theoretically pull the poor and disenfranchised out of poverty and into the middle or upper classes.

The American right, on the other hand, contends that providing social support to the poor and disenfranchised creates a "victim mentality" and a dependency on the system for advancement. They often accuse the American left of trying to make the United States into a communist nation akin to the Soviet Union and tend to favor the maximization of non-government power as much as possible. In practice, this manifests itself as a sort of "hyper-capitalism" where the American right grants tax breaks to the rich and large corporations in the name of both economic freedom and as a reward for their success in the free market.

It is very hard to reconcile the two perspectives.

EDIT: And just to add my own view here for clarity - I think both the left and right make salient points. The left is correct that there is no equality of opportunity without adjusting for the complexities of other aspects of life and financial constraints of a poor individual's starting position. I think the right is correct that a victim mentality is extremely dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. I think there is a centrist position to be held that works for everyone, but both sides despise centrists, so I am hated every time I talk about politics.

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by padobson on Friday June 08, 2018 @10:10AM (#17265534)
I think the right is correct that a victim mentality is extremely dangerous and should be avoided at all costs.

This can't go understated. Life is hard and often tragic. Everyone will be a victim of injustice, often grave injustice, at one point in their lives or another. The worst thing a culture can do is demotivate folks to face their tragedies because something about their personal identity (race, gender, geography, religion, etc) made it impossible to overcome.

Re:Tech Companies Still Aren’t Hiring Black Workers by weiming on Friday June 08, 2018 @09:52AM (#17265342)
> so I am hated every time I talk about politics.

For what it's worth, I think the U.S. (and the world) could use more centrists!