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Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by gaius on Thursday June 07, 2018 @02:14AM (#17253697)
Microsoft practically forced us to use Windows stack for anything and everything

This is called “dogfooding” and all companies should do it. How can you sell to customers or understand customers if you’re not using the product yourself?

One day I’d love to visit SAP and see how they do their own vacations and expenses. It can’t be with their own software.

Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by santaragolabs on Thursday June 07, 2018 @05:01AM (#17254352)
I've done some security contracting work for the folks in Walldorf over the years; I've seen first-hand some SAP FTE's getting insanely frustrated putting in their expenses in their own systems. Which was pretty hilarious to watch. And most folks there fully acknowledge that usability is not their strength traditionally.

Things like uptime, support-contracts, having someone on-site within three hours when your multi-millon-dollar-order-processing-SAP-cluster goes down etc are what matter to their customers more than usability (traditionally).

Things are changing and a lot of effort has been put into getting better at UI/UX though. But I haven't been involved with them for several years now so I don't know where they are at or what their current offerings are (I keep tabs a bit on HANA developments but that's it really).

Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by daveFNbuck on Thursday June 07, 2018 @03:08AM (#17253873)
Customers and potential customers also use competing products, so you also need to use those to sell to, understand, and grow your customers.

Maybe SAP uses their own software internally and they've all become power users that aren't bothered by the issues that you're having. Perhaps if they used competing products they'd have a better understanding of where theirs is lacking.

Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by gaius on Thursday June 07, 2018 @03:49AM (#17254038)
You can always spot software that is or isn’t used by the people writing it
Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by daveFNbuck on Thursday June 07, 2018 @11:01AM (#17256339)
I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't use their own software. I'm saying that they shouldn't use it exclusively.
Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by gdegani on Thursday June 07, 2018 @04:34AM (#17254258)
SAP Is actually pretty good in eating their own dog food, usually the problem is that the customers are super slow in adopting the new stuff that SAP releases...I worked at SAP for 9 years.
Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by majewsky on Thursday June 07, 2018 @06:31AM (#17254668)
I work at SAP. I book absences via a web UI for a SAP system. I record my time using a very nice HTML5 UI that hooks into an SAP system via RPC. I record travel expenses in Concur (the company of the same name was acquired by SAP, so that counts as dogfooding too).

SAP still needs to get better at their dogfooding game in some areas (e.g. using our own ticket system products instead of internally-grown idiosyncrasies), but we're getting there.

Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by flukus on Thursday June 07, 2018 @02:34AM (#17253756)
I wish they dogfooded on spinning rust and limited RAM.
Re:GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button by gaius on Thursday June 07, 2018 @03:48AM (#17254035)
It’s always been the case that developers have better hardware than end users, I don’t see that changing anytime soon!