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Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by duxup on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @10:32PM (#17252804)
"there were experts in the field who were shouting out about the impossibility of Holmes' claims right from the beginning"

Were there? I'm not doubting your claim, just wondering if anyone really spoke up.

Reading about the challenges they would have had to overcome to back up their claims, there were some serious fundamental problems, and those were challenges the industry had been wrangling with when it came to that type of automated testing for ages.... I always wondered how many of their competitors were thinking:

"No way they overcame all that all at once.... straight up not possible."

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by ubernostrum on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @11:10PM (#17252955)
The Wall Street Journal was running investigative pieces seriously questioning Theranos' capabilities in 2015. Concerns and questions had been bubbling for a while before that.

Theranos' response included an all-company meeting where they chanted "Fuck you, Carreyrou"[1] (John Carreyrou, the WSJ reporter who wrote the critical articles), and developeing a video game for employees that involved shooting him[2].

Notice that second article is only a couple months old and reports that some people there still believe the problem was not Theranos' lack of ability to do what it claimed, but that the media reported Theranos couldn't do what it claimed.

This playbook of "the problem isn't that our company is in trouble, it's that the media reported truthfully on our trouble" is still being used today by other darlings of Silicon Valley and HN.

[1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-the...

[2] http://www.businessinsider.com/theranos-employees-made-space...

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by duxup on Thursday June 07, 2018 @01:01AM (#17253408)
It's always funny when they blame the media.

Theranos in particular as if they had what they claimed, the media could poop on them forever and once they put out the product it would have changed the medical industry regardless of the media... but nope.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by Kiro on Thursday June 07, 2018 @03:19AM (#17253918)
Yeah, obviously since the article of this very comment thread is an interview with Carreyrou. People are asking for links about fraud claim before 2015.
Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by busterarm on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @10:59PM (#17252916)
I remember there were immediately after the 2014 TED talk. Heck, I watched that talk and immediately thought it was a complete fraud. Turns out that's like 7 years into this company being around and a year after they'd been full-on defrauding investors.

I can't recall of hearing of Theranos before then though, but I'm not in the valley.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by Kiro on Thursday June 07, 2018 @03:17AM (#17253910)
A lot of "I remember" in this thread but where are the links?
Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by patja on Thursday June 07, 2018 @10:57AM (#17256283)
Google "Geoffrey Baird Theranos"

Geoff Baird plays in my regular poker game. He's probably one of the smartest people I know and has been regularly denouncing Theranos' methods for several years.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by aaron695 on Thursday June 07, 2018 @09:28AM (#17255551)
Comment from the oldest HN article I could find -

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6349808

NO one refuted it.

The issue is not that smart people didn't know, it's so many people can't see the obvious.

Assuming the comment is ordered correctly it's the masses with the problem. Valid concerns were raised, no one could defend them, but the comment was left at the bottom.

HN, like the media has flaws that don't allow it to correct at even a snails pace.

But if you're smart it's not hard to see the truth, hard part is making money, it was fake from the beginning but who would have thought it'd take so many years to fail in RL. Knowing when to bet against it is the hard part.

IE. Magic Leap will fail, who knows when though.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by busterarm on Thursday June 07, 2018 @10:56AM (#17256275)
> Magic Leap will fail, who knows when though.

Been saying this since the beginning and just want to go on record with this again now in case this comes up 5 years from now like Theranos did.

Re:We Shouldn’t Be Surprised at the Theranos Fraud by Kiro on Thursday June 07, 2018 @06:15PM (#17260797)
Also on the record in case Magic Leap becomes the biggest thing ever.