Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by std_throwaway on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @05:54AM
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To my knowledge the achievable IPC gains for a single thread are limited. Therefore it can be assumed that other players catch up in figures of IPC while the market leader kind of gets stuck with only a tiny advantage.
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Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by spacenick88 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @06:04AM
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I keep wondering if there are some gains left by dropping the x86 legacy baggage e.g. using RISC-V or ARM64. It seems that there should be some loss due to x86 weirdness and past compromises
Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by std_throwaway on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @06:16AM
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What i read was: The instruction decoder would become easier but the instruction decoder is only a small part. Most rare commands are implemented via microcode anyways, so silicon area is not hit too hard. x86 is somewhat efficient due to compact encoding compared to IA64 for example. There is surprisingly little to gain.
Maybe somebody who really knows the details can chime in :)
Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by tscs37 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:02PM
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The peeps building Mill CPU are claiming they can do 10x performance over traditional (x86). IIRC in an early talk they explained this is mostly by bringing the IPC on a level with high IPC microcontroller arches. They do VLIW which can do a lot of things more efficiently if your compiler can handle it (Rust should be able to pull a lot of performance out of VLIW IIRC)
Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by gascan on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:11PM
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VLIW plus a "sufficiently smart compiler"? Isn't that IA-64 in a nutshell?
Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by tscs37 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:16PM
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Basically, though Mill also is belt-based (think stack with size-limit) not registers and compilers nowadays are a bit better at VLIW than when IA-64 was introduced. They also have a shitload of security addons that would mitigate most modern exploits and other nice-to-haves.
Re:AMD Zen 2 Update: 7nm EPYC in Labs Now, Launching in 2019
by deepnotderp on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @03:50PM
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Nah, the Mill is sufficiently different than a standard VLIW. I'm still on the fence about it, but it's noticeably different from the Itanic.