Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned

Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by thereare5lights on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:43PM (#17242744)

You missed the point. He is haranguing about ignoring reality, all the while ignoring the reality of how to effectively work in groups. His method of interacting with people is an idiotic way of doing that and he damn well knows that and just doesn't give a fuck and yet he wants to hold others to that standard in other areas.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by robotresearcher on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:53PM (#17242814)

Your point is weakened by the fact that Linus has managed an enormous project for decades with incredible success. That scores some reality and effectiveness points, surely.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by thereare5lights on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:56PM (#17242836)

That's great and it's a credit to him!

Have you factored in the opportunity cost of being an ass for decades?

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by robotresearcher on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:15PM (#17242965)

I have not. I choose not to grumble in public that the enormous contribution to the world of a master craftsman could have been even more enormous if he'd done things the way I prefer instead of whatever way works for him.

And then I get back to work using his software which I paid close to zero dollars for.

Is there another gift horse whose mouth is so frequently inspected as Linus?

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by thereare5lights on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:30PM (#17243100)

Oh excuse me, I should bend over for him then! Because his achievements are so great, he must be immune to criticism!!!

> the enormous contribution to the world of a master craftsman could have been even more enormous

Hardly, it's about the contributions that don't exist from other people because of the insufferable shit-headedness of working with him. But that doesn't matter to you because we can't criticize him now can we? No, we must bend over because he is so much better than us!

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by robotresearcher on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:29PM (#17243410)

Your complaint is that Linus is an ass, and this is how you choose to express yourself in public. Huh.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by thereare5lights on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:44PM (#17249303)

Your inability to realize that the the context of my criticism is on his ability to collaborate and that that doesn't apply to how I express myself in public is laudable.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by busterarm on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:46PM (#17243185)

Where are Matthew Garrett and Sarah Sharp's Linux kernel forks? Anyone else I forgot?

I mean at least when the NetBSD group ego-tripped and removed Theo, he had the decency to work on OpenBSD.

People who really want to contribute will find a way to, always. Unless something else is more important to them than contributing.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by JackCh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:22PM (#17243382)

Now you're being as profane as Linus.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by thereare5lights on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:44PM (#17249307)

And completely irrelevant since I'm not collaborating with any of you.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by JackCh on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @06:30PM (#17251662)

Is conversation not a limited form of collaboration?

I've got to say, I find it really hard to take your outrage at a little mild profanity seriously if you so casually use it yourself during normal conversations. To be frank, I think you're just pretending to be offended Linus using profanity.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by s-shellfish on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:49PM (#17242782)

He's talking about computation, getting the computations to be correct. If you read the end of his message he's well aware that the reality of thinking in groups and transmitting ideas through non-computational language are flawed.

It's an idiot way to you because you are too sensitive to it.

I could very well point out how idiotic it is to say a person is an idiot for calling other people idiots, but honestly I'd rather just laugh at the insanity computation tends to bring out in all those that have to work on computers with other people.

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Re:Torvalds: Standards need to be questioned by thereare5lights on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:55PM (#17242830)

> He's talking about computation, getting the computations to be correct.

Irrelevant to my point.

> If you read the end of his message he's well aware that the reality of minds and ideas are flawed.

And he still doesn't work with in the confines of human social behavior.

> It's an idiot way to you because you are too sensitive to it.

And when it hinders his ability to get things done because other people think he's an asshole, I'm sure you'll still be here saying "hurrrrr durrrrr stop being so sensitive".

> I could very well point out how idiotic it is to say a person is an idiot for calling other people idiots,

If you want to think calling someone an idiot for idiotic behavior is idiotic, then you're pretty sensitive. However since I don't need you to do anything for me, it doesn't hurt me in any way to treat you like an ass.

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