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Re:Hello, GitHub by ljm on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:17PM (#17231941)
I've felt similar. There's been some impressive innovation from MS in the dev space recently: VS Code is a pleasure to use, Azure wasn't quite as intimidating as AWS can be (but who can blame them, AWS has a lot more legacy). Windows 10 was pleasant to work with, telemetry issues aside. Things are shifting.

In fact, I think there's a strong 'once a criminal, always a criminal' mentality that takes a healthy skepticism to an unreasonable level. At least with the benefit of the doubt you can be wary of what Microsoft's intentions really are, but I don't think it's productive to go 20 years into the past and pretend that absolutely nothing has changed since, and rehashing everything from that time as if it only happened yesterday. It's an unreasonable standard and if nothing else, it presents the self-fulfilling prophecy where you're only satisfied once you've found proof that Microsoft today hasn't changed at all. So you've practically doomed GitHub to fail post-acquisition because you've already decided it _will_.

I'm not sure why you'd want that. So on that level I hope that Microsoft doesn't betray the gigantic community that has built around GitHub, which itself has taken open source to a whole new level. It's an appeal to emotion, I know, but I just don't see the value in being straight up negative in the light of recent evidence that suggests the contrary. You would never hold yourself to such an unforgiving standard (unless you wanted to sacrifice yourself on the altar), so it's better to give it a chance instead of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

(Secretly, I'd love it if they, for example, rethought the pricing strategy and offered free private repos the same as every competitor does.)

That said, it's a little worrying that tech is continuing to consolidate around the giants.

Re:Hello, GitHub by ben509 on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:47PM (#17232268)
> It's an unreasonable standard and if nothing else, it presents the self-fulfilling prophecy where you're only satisfied once you've found proof that Microsoft today hasn't changed at all.

That's a good general point; if you find you dislike someone's POV or behavior, and you're not simply being tribalistic, you should be thinking along the lines of, "what do I want this person / group to do differently?"

Re:Hello, GitHub by ljm on Monday June 04, 2018 @06:06PM (#17233053)
It's the negative winning out over the positive. If you genuinely want things to get better you have to stop thinking about how they won't.

If you can't, you're part of the reason why things won't improve. You want your negativity (or your ego) to be proven right.

Re:Hello, GitHub by HelloNurse on Monday June 04, 2018 @05:47PM (#17232870)
Microsoft has been embracing and extending Git for a while, and now they have bought captive users who are going to use whatever Microsoft tells them to use just to keep their code on Github and avoid a difficult migration.

They clearly have greater ambitions than increasing Visual Studio sales. For example, what about forced integration of LinkedIn with personal Github repositories?

Re:Hello, GitHub by ljm on Monday June 04, 2018 @06:21PM (#17233163)
I'm not sure what these facts are based on, but to make something clear, 'embracing and extending' is practically the definition of open source and how you contribute. 'Extending' here is a synonym for contributing. Embracing is good, extending and improving is good. You just put Microsoft in there and suddenly it's not. It's stupid.

So in all that, you're waiting on the extinguish step where WinGit comes out and blows away Git, Github, GitLab, BitBucket, etc. etc. etc. because you cannot possibly maintain a modern git repo unless you're running it on Windows. Only MS are building Linux based cloud infrastructure so it's not even loyalty to their past anymore.

Never mind the fact that 'extinguish' blew up in MS' face and their attempts to monopolise the internet ensured they never would. Firefox and Chrome are direct products of that particular power grab, so is the shitty reputation MS has, so is the existence of Edge to get away from the Internet Explorer branding. Why even bother trying all of that again?

Re:Hello, GitHub by brett40324 on Monday June 04, 2018 @07:15PM (#17233506)
Okay, this is my greatest concern with Linkedin and Github. For many (most?) dev job applications, not having a 'ticks all boxes' profile on both sites means pass on initial callback; and now MS controls both. What they purchased for so much $$ is industry branding mindshare.