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Re:Hello, GitHub by wpietri on Monday June 04, 2018 @03:25PM (#17231253)
Once bitten, twice shy.

Moreover, although I agree Microsoft is making efforts to change [1], pro-Microsoft partisans make it clear much of this is due to the new CEO. What one CEO does, another can undo. GitHub's bus factor is now 1.

I would much rather have seen them go public. They were losing money, but not, last I saw, at a rate that was absurd for building a SaaS business. Is there some reason to think they couldn't have gotten into the black? And if so, is there some reason to think Microsoft will let them burn cash forever without getting anything valuable in return?

Previously, GitHub's success depended on GitHub serving their customers and users. Now it depends on the notions of some guy in Seattle. Some guy whose job is, at least by market cap, 99% focused on other things. It's reasonable for customers to worry about that.

Re:Hello, GitHub by j4eo on Monday June 04, 2018 @03:55PM (#17231644)
I think the biggest thing suggesting they couldn't have gotten into the black is the fact that they had been looking for a CEO for 10 months and still hadn't found someone. I'm not entirely sure why they couldn't find anyone, perhaps they were just being picky, but it certainly didn't look good.
Re:Hello, GitHub by wpietri on Monday June 04, 2018 @07:31PM (#17233612)
Or it could be that the board has been looking to sell the company for that period and nobody wanted to come on to be the CEO for 20 minutes before being replaced by somebody from the acquirer. Hard to say.
Re:Hello, GitHub by deadbunny on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:19PM (#17231970)
You're acting as if the opensource initiative in MS of late is down to Nadella and nothing else. It's much more a case of market forces changing and an acceptance of opensource within corporations.
Re:Hello, GitHub by wpietri on Monday June 04, 2018 @07:26PM (#17233573)
That's certainly what I'm seeing from people. There are a ton of "it's fine because Nadella" comments out there. E.g.: https://twitter.com/kellabyte/status/1003660575690244096

If they are merely yielding to market forces, then that's not much of a comfort. Github was a leader in this, and Microsoft's customers have a strong bias toward followers and laggards.

Re:Hello, GitHub by DoofusOfDeath on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:25PM (#17234743)
> Once bitten, twice shy.

With Microsoft, the bites have been numerous and some are ongoing.

Re:Hello, GitHub by glenstein on Monday June 04, 2018 @09:04PM (#17234134)
>What one CEO does, another can undo.

I completely agree with that as a general principle, and I don't disagree with anything you've said outside of this quote. But are you suggesting that Nadella is going to leave Microsoft anytime soon?

Re:Hello, GitHub by wpietri on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @01:17AM (#17235166)
No, but he's not immortal. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. The median CEO in the Fortune 500 lasts only 5 years or so, and he's already in year 4.
Re:Hello, GitHub by kthejoker2 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:38AM (#17236419)
Probably want to adjust that metric for stock price ...
Re:Hello, GitHub by wpietri on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @04:03PM (#17241503)
Buses are not big respecters of stock price, and what goes up can come down. Microsoft's numbers could get squishy for a number of reasons unrelated to open source efforts, and a revenue dip could either mean a new CEO or some quick cuts to things that aren't producing a lot of short-term profit.
Re:Hello, GitHub by scarface74 on Monday June 04, 2018 @09:31PM (#17234259)
GitHub's success as an ongoing concern was based on their investors willing to keep giving them more money or alternatively the public market giving them more money until they could become profitable.
Re:Hello, GitHub by wpietri on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @01:21AM (#17235175)
We don't know how far they were from being profitable. But even unprofitability is not a big problem these days. E.g., Okta IPOed in the red with explicit plans to keep losing money for the foreseeable future.

Github was making over $200m/year, and was poised for strong growth in enterprises as they got with the times. I expect they could have gotten to GAAP profitability whenever they needed to. But they should have kept spending on growth to maximize market share.

Re:Hello, GitHub by scarface74 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:13PM (#17248976)
How does being profitable and IPOing stop a company from being an acquisition target (see LinkedIn)? Just like the private investors could be swayed by a tempting acquisition offer so can public investors.

The only way that you guard against being an acquisition target is to remain private and not take money from outside investors.