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Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by scarface74 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @11:30PM (#17224368)
Seeing that Github is reportedly unprofitable, if they aren't acquired by a profitable company, what's the alternative?

What do you think Microsoft would do to harm Github? I doubt it would be as bad as what became of SourceForge.

Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by nostrademons on Monday June 04, 2018 @01:32AM (#17224923)
"Seeing that Github is reportedly unprofitable, if they aren't acquired by a profitable company, what's the alternative?"

Lay off employees until they're profitable.

Tech companies tend to invest ahead of growth, because tech markets tend to be winner-take-all and if the market grows when you don't, somebody else will take the market. They're effectively using their employees as insurance to make sure nobody else can catch them in the market.

As a result, they often have orders of magnitude more employees than is necessary to keep the lights on, the product operational, and the money flowing in (at least in the short term). Google, for example, really just needs datacenter ops technicians and SREs to keep the product up, which is maybe 2% of their current headcount. If they laid everyone else off, they'd eventually become vulnerable to a competitor or lawsuit or public opinion or unhappy/indifferent customers. But until that happened, they could maintain quite hefty profits.

Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by scarface74 on Monday June 04, 2018 @08:03AM (#17226947)
I doubt thier investors were looking for a no growth botique business that never went public and never got acquired. The investors were looking for an exit strategy.
Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by nostrademons on Monday June 04, 2018 @02:12PM (#17230454)
Well, for an investor, there's another option: put more money in. They only have to think about laying people off if there's no profitability and no further investment and the acquisition falls through.
Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by mikekchar on Monday June 04, 2018 @01:15AM (#17224865)
If I had a stake in Github, I would be delighted to sell it to Microsoft.

I don't have a stake in Github. I am a user with 2 distinct roles. In one role, I work for a company that pays for Github's services. Github has done a very good job hiring people who have maintained the service as it scaled to very high levels. I am concerned that Microsoft will be unable or even unwilling to keep those teams intact. They may wish to restructure the organisation. They may wish to change middle management in an attempt to make it profitable, etc, etc. Github has had a good track record with us. Organisationally we have no experience with Microsoft, so it's a risk.

Personally, I spent a chunk of my career working in the MS world (working with gold/platinum level partners). This is ancient history by now (10 years ago), but my experience with MS support was abysmal. Essentially "support" amounted to having a telephone number where I could report issues. No follow up allowed. No notification if the issue was ever resolved. Upgrade to the next version when it comes out and check for yourself to see if it has been fixed. Hey, that's why we pay for those MSDN subscriptions! Though, if you have about 1000 seats in your license, you can get real support (if you are lucky). Maybe that's all changed and they are fantastic, but once bitten twice shy as they say.

In my other role as a consumer with Github, I have my personal repositories there. I still vividly remember MS's push to create a division between "hobbyists" and "professional developers". The idea was to provide different levels of access based on the idea that "professional developers" work for large companies that will pay for high licensing fees and extensive support contracts (which only really seem to count if you have at least 1000 seats... see above). "Hobbyists" are intentionally crippled by giving them just enough access to seem like they can do something, but denying them crucial things.

With the release of VSCode, etc, I can see that the company has changed, but old ideas die hard. 10 or 15 years is not enough time for me to feel like I can trust the company. Will they slowly screw me over by using their dominant position to "boil the frog" -- slowly crippling their "hobbyists" without ever doing anything overt enough to cause them to jump out of the pot? Only time will tell, but yes I'm quite concerned. To be fair, MS is not the only potential purchaser who would concern me. At least it isn't Oracle!

Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by jack9 on Monday June 04, 2018 @01:44AM (#17224975)
> What do you think Microsoft would do to harm Github?

GVFS. I believe Github will only deploy to Microsoft's GVFS sometime after acquisition. This is one of the more obvious plans, I thought shrug

Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by tannhaeuser on Monday June 04, 2018 @02:37AM (#17225170)
Well they could change the terms of service and essentially drive certain types of projects away. They could limit access to older builds and versions to non-paying customers. They could limit access to verified/signed builds. They could reserve certain rights to your software such as they did with npmjs.com. They could run ads, offer IT staff skill matching and promotions, FizzBuzz-like services, or other LinkedIn integrations. They could come up with clever schemes for offering commercial licensing for open source. They could go after the enterprise package mirrors and policy checkers market Artifactory et al are serving. Not saying they'll be doing that (MS isn't stupid), but given MS is selling mainly to enterprises, there are many creative ways they could make money of it.
Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by scarface74 on Monday June 04, 2018 @05:56AM (#17226190)
Seeing they don't do any of that today with VSTS there is no basis to believe they would do that for Github.
Re:American tech giants are making life tough for startups by scarface74 on Monday June 04, 2018 @05:55AM (#17226180)
What do you mean deploy to "GVFS"? VSTS -Microsoft's existing host solution supports the standard git web hooks today to support integration with third party CI/CD tools and supports Azure and AWS deployments.