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Re:Google admits brainteasers were useless for hiring (2013) by watwut on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:38PM (#17198867)
"It doesn't really measure what matters for job performance but tech pays well and so many people want to do it that you need barriers to entry. The real losers of the hiring process are the companies that waste lots of money on inefficient hiring practices."

The other losers are people who have skills and aptitude that is actually needed, but don't have the thing that interview measures. Yet other losers are people forced who have to work with those who ace interviews and get rewarded, but are not actually good in actual work.

The side note is not just that hiring don't really measure what matters for job performance. It is also that companies themselves don't really seriously care about it nor spend time thinking about it. That affects not just hiring, but also promotions and other rewards. Which in turn causes additional problems and unhealthy workplaces (excessive crunch being one of those, huge amount of socialization that is expected in some companies another, ridiculous technological decisions too and so on and so forth).

Re:Google admits brainteasers were useless for hiring (2013) by taurath on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:47PM (#17198939)
The focus on hiring is not about assessing job performance. This is absolutely clear to me after spending a bit of time as a contract worker with an exemplary record and a page full of recommendations from full time employees of many levels, who still has to pass through the same hiring gatekeeping process. Its now HR required that everyone be interviewed in the same manner. Performance means nothing in the interview - and the interview absolutely has nothing to do with the job, its just a bunch of alg questions. Its incredibly frustrating and disheartening to know how much they are skewing towards people who can pass the test rather than people that can excel at the job.
Re:Google admits brainteasers were useless for hiring (2013) by watwut on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:33PM (#17199378)
I think that "everyone is interviewed in the same manner" thing can eventually evolve into better hiring process - because it will overtime produce data that can be learned from.

But, I also think that it will end up split into different kinds of interviews for different positions. The older I am the more I believe that there is no single "good in tech" aptitude and that such notion is nonsense. Rather, different tech jobs require very different amounts of abstract thinking, logic, patience, memory, aesthetic feel, detailed knowledge of some sub-area, ability to communicate, self control, punctuality and so on and so forth.

You can be quite crappy at assembler and heavily talented for enterprise java for example. You can be good at smaller projects and completely fundamentally fail in large codebase many people situation.

Re:Google admits brainteasers were useless for hiring (2013) by taurath on Thursday May 31, 2018 @08:52PM (#17201656)
> I think that "everyone is interviewed in the same manner" thing can eventually evolve into better hiring process - because it will overtime produce data that can be learned from.

I agree also in theory, but as you said there are vast differences in speciality. Some programmers are far more product focused and have an eye for design and communication, and some only do well when they're deep in the weeds of some obscure perf optimization. The latter gets hired quicker, while the former can often do a lot of useful things for an organization.

Re:Google admits brainteasers were useless for hiring (2013) by fitpolar on Saturday June 09, 2018 @07:10AM (#17272457)
This has been my experience too, and I’ve thought long and hard about how we’ve gotten to hiring practices that rewards 6 week boot campers more that seasoned pros who do outstanding work. I’ve come to the same conclusion, that it’s got to be because of bloated HR. It’s harder for me to pass interviews today vs 5 years ago, despite being less junior and more than capable of doing an A+ job.