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Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by quietbritishjim on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:35AM (#17186060)
> life appeared so soon after the Earth became solid

It took hundreds of millions of years, possibly up to a billion years, for basic life to form on Earth. I would say that is not "soon"; it's a really long time.

The obvious response to that is, yes it seems like a long time, but it's not much on geological time scales. But it feels to me that there's an implicit circular argument here: the whole reason that geological time is measured in terms of such huge spans is because it took life such a vast amount of time to get to the point where humans exist to discuss it (understandably).

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by zeth___ on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:17AM (#17186244)
Life shows up in the fossil record more or less as soon as rocks on the Earths surface start forming.

The first billions years on earth mostly involved the planet getting hit by large things and the surface melting. Repeat every millennium.

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by throwaway5752 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @08:29AM (#17187118)
You just explained why there's no fossil record from early earth, unless I'm misunderstanding you and that was your point.

Ocean floor is continuously destroyed as it's subducted, and continents won't have fossils if they are under frequent bombardment.

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by joshuahedlund on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:09AM (#17187740)
> continents won't have fossils if they are under frequent bombardment.

Right, but if giant bombardments completely boil away the oceans and atmosphere to rain liquid rocks back down on the surface, there very very likely won't be life, either. So the claim is not just that "fossils only go back to X" but that X is so close to the end of the giant bombardments that there's almost no time left (geologically speaking - maybe 10-20MY) for "life but no fossils yet".

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by joshuahedlund on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:03AM (#17187698)
> It took hundreds of millions of years, possibly up to a billion years, for basic life to form on Earth.

This is a common popular misconception. See something like Simon Conway Morris's book Life's Solution. There is evidence that life existed on earth almost as soon (geologically speaking) as the early bombardment stopped repeatedly boiling away the entire oceans and atmosphere, within something like 10-20 million years. Thus, all the interpretation about the implications of that.

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by neuronic on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:02AM (#17186180)
But that's mostly because humans aren't an achievement of "life". We were never a development goal of "life" nor does the universe care very much about us - even if we built megastructures directly harnessing the energy of black holes and stars.

If current knowledge is remotely correct, heat death will happen, no matter how immortal Homo deus will become. The quarks are against us.

And if complex systems theory teaches us anything then it would be preposterous to assume any ultimate superiority in understanding the universe on our part.

Who knows who wrote crazy alien versions of Hacker News posts 2 billion years ago in one of the other couple of thousands of galaxies seen in Hubble Deep Field alone...

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by quietbritishjim on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:06AM (#17186203)
Humans are really just an example, I regret mentioning it. All significant developments in life (e.g. multi-cellular lifeforms, post-Cumbrian explosian animals) took hundreds of millions to billions of years.
Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by kamaal on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:19AM (#17186476)
In fact given the fact evolution is a process without a goal. Intelligence could be even more rare among multicellular lifeforms.
Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:19AM (#17187407)
I remember reading that 4 or 5 intelligent hominids coexisted in Africa a million years ago. More or less intelligent. It can't be that rare then.

In fact, dolphins. Octopi. Yeah, pretty much a given I'd imagine, in the right complex ecosystem, that intelligence is a thing.

Re:Space Is Full of Planets, and Most of Them Don't Even Hav... by Brockenstein on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:17AM (#17187397)
Or the consequence of great intelligence is an evolutionary dead end. What if intelligent life becomes smart enough to destroy itself, but doesn't survive quite long enough to use that intelligence to save itself.