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Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by bhouston on Sunday May 27, 2018 @03:25PM (#17168644)
One also has to factor in second dimension which is behavior towards in-group and out-groups.

I understand that as we become more multi-cultural, there is a decrease in the percieved kinship between city dwellers and thus less alturistic behavior.

Basically, in diverse cities people are more likely to be assholes to each other.

> Relatively homogeneous societies invest more in public goods, indicating a higher level of public altruism. For example, the degree of ethnic homogeneity correlates with the government's share of gross domestic product as well as the average wealth of citizens. Case studies of the United States, Africa and South-East Asia find that multi-ethnic societies are less charitable and less able to cooperate to develop public infrastructure. Moscow beggars receive more gifts from fellow ethnics than from other ethnies [sic]. A recent multi-city study of municipal spending on public goods in the United States found that ethnically or racially diverse cities spend a smaller portion of their budgets and less per capita on public services than do the more homogeneous cities.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by digi_owl on Sunday May 27, 2018 @08:34PM (#17169968)
Do wonder if in/out and altruism/psychopathy overlap.

Meaning that an altruist has a wider sense of in-group, while a psychopath has a much narrower one.

I guess this however opens up the possibility that one can "learn" to be a psychopath by narrowing ones in-group.

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @08:03AM (#17171966)
That'd mean most, if not all, ancient people were psychopaths.

Also, many people are not altruistic even to their in-group.

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by Bizarro on Sunday May 27, 2018 @09:00PM (#17170045)
I understand that as we become more multi-cultural, there is a decrease in the percieved kinship between city dwellers and thus less alturistic behavior.

Maybe more multi-ethnic, but I'm not sure about multi-cultural. If anything, at least we globally share a baseline of culture because of the internet and I only see that increasing...hopefully.

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @04:28AM (#17171280)
Hopefully not. Monocultural world would be a very boring place. We need true cultural diversity on planet earth. Not this mono-culture-but-multiple-colors-and-dongles bullshit.
Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by gepi79 on Monday May 28, 2018 @07:31AM (#17171865)
Important cultural differences (not festivities and language but religion and morality and ethics) means that people of a culture can not enjoy or even tolerate another culture.

As European, I can only hope the world will adapt a secular vegan European-like culture and not e.g. the war loving US culture with lying government officials (even worse than some European nations) or the Chinese culture (e.g. Social Credits and no freedom of speech) or the work culture of South Korea and Japan or a Muslim/Sharia culture or a culture of genital mutilation of boys and girls or a culture of throwing acid in the faces of people or a caste system like in India.

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @07:51AM (#17171930)
Why would you have to be able to enjoy another culture? As long as the cultures live apart and don't bother each other, it's good enough.

Just like being vegan. As long as I don't force you to eat meat and you let me enjoy a stake with cheese, all is good. But once we try to establish baseline (either all-vegan or mandatory-meat), all goes down the shitter...

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by gepi79 on Monday May 28, 2018 @08:14AM (#17172005)
Multiple cultures are not like multiple dishes for a meal.

There are important and often deadly conflicts (e.g. coercion, mutilation, poverty, war) related to cultural differences and (IMO bad) cultures themselves.

I am in favor of a prohibition of cheap animal products because of the economic, ethical, ecological and medical problems related to animal products.

I am in favor of a limitation or prohibition of certain cultures. E.g. the Islamic veil or family customs that lead to psychological and physical harm or forced marriages.

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @08:41AM (#17172099)
My point is that looking for common baseline for everybody even for a meal leads to conflicts. While coexisting at peaceful terms is less conflicts.

On top of that, even if we'd come up with a common baseline, I'm sure people would invent differences in no time. Give it some time and somebody in vegan culture may realise that animals are edible and damn tasty.

Prohibition of cheap, all-shortcuts-taken, foods is not vegan issue. Veggies, animal-related foods and meat should be responsibly made and focus on quality (as in nutrition and taste, not only nice looking) rather than price alone.

You'd have to redo Islamic culture from the ground up and forcefully reeducate several generations of people. And it's questionable wether it'd be a success. Soviets and Nazis did try to build the new perfect man. Neither approach was pretty. Let's not go down that path again. Yes, some people may seem backwards (as we do for them). But hey, live and let them live. As long as neither of us bother each other and live in their own countries ruled as each of us see fit.

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by gepi79 on Monday May 28, 2018 @08:57AM (#17172166)
I hope that the internet and a world-government will bring a cultural and legal baseline that guarantees peace and the Human Rights worldwide.

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Unfortunately not even European countries respect the human rights with regard to poverty (economic, social and cultural rights) and freedom of expression (civil and political rights) and international law regarding warfare (e.g. Libya, Yugoslavia,...):

http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @10:51AM (#17172701)
And even Human Rights (tm) is interpreted differently :) Especially given how much of a failure UN is.

Also, world-government formation would be a blood shed not seen before. On top of that, all similar formations so far couldn't hold their shit together. USSR, British empire, Roman empire.. EU is struggling too. Even China has tumultuous history and they'd have issues the moment iron grip is loosened. USA is not exactly without internal rivalries either.

Why go through hassle of forming such entity if it will fail sooner or later?

Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by hutzlibu on Monday May 28, 2018 @06:54AM (#17171748)
He said a baseline of culture. Not global monoculture standard
Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @07:42AM (#17171901)
What if baseline happens to be China and Russia style? I'd rather not rely on baselines.
Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by xvire on Monday May 28, 2018 @06:14AM (#17171617)
Yes, wars, fueled by cultural differences are not great, but god save us from boredom.
Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by mantas on Monday May 28, 2018 @07:45AM (#17171913)
If your goal is to have no wars, plenty of scum would gladly take the wheel and force their culture upon you.
Re:Psychopathy to Altruism: Neurobiology of the Selfish–Self... by agumonkey on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:31AM (#17170881)
I seriously wonder if there's a gradient of altruism based on resemblance.