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Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by slivym on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:22PM (#17167940)
I think that is a really bad line of logic. There are lots of things that have been around for a long time and make some people plenty of money that are bad things. Pyramid schemes fit your definition - should I start buying in?

The opposite way to pose this is: Cryptocurrencies have been around for 9+ years, and there has been literally 0 use for it apart from conning rubes on the internet. The important thing to ask is whether it has a purpose and has it delivered on that purpose. There's really only one theoretical purpose that it's meant to serve - being free from tyrannical government. Well that kind of worked when capital fled into it from China - but there's also been crack downs. It also doesn't explain the US fascination.

I think there comes a point where 9 years in, you have to ask: What purpose does cryptocurrency serve beyond enriching people who are already invested.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by SimbaOnSteroids on Sunday May 27, 2018 @03:23PM (#17168633)
>What purpose does cryptocurrency serve beyond enriching people who are already invested.

Limited scope and obviously doesn't justify the money that is swirling in crypto right now.

However, if we want digital things to be non-fungible we're probably going to need something like a block chain. Cryptokitties(as beanie-baby-esque as they are) and the implementation of the ERC-271 token come to mind.

Again I realize cryptokittes are not really a great example other than proof of concept, but imagine with me for a second a fine art market where all the art is digital, this requires a decentralized non-fungible token, maybe digital house or car keys would be another thing where we want to limit the number of people with access to the thing, again if we don't want to trust someone like say equifax, with control over that we're going to want a decentralized non-fungible token.

I realize these aren't necessarily the best examples of non-fungible assets we might want one day. However it seems absurd to me that moving forward society won't at some point demand some digital asset that is non-fungible. If that assumption holds true then some form of cypto-currency is going to be necessary to provide such an asset.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by bdcravens on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:50PM (#17168113)
I'm not arguing necessarily for its utility or intrinsic worth, just that it's entrenched and far from the inevitable house of cards that detractors wish for.

Call it gambling if you will. What is the intrinsic value of a game of blackjack? None, yet an entire industry is propped up by it.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by briandear on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:34PM (#17168018)
Who cares? If people want to play in Bitcoin, what difference does it make. Nobody is being forced.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by Analemma_ on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:53PM (#17168129)
> Who cares? If people want to play in Bitcoin, what difference does it make.

The externalities. This very thread is about how Bitcoin is messing up power grids and will soon be responsible for a non-negligible percentage of Earth's entire power usage (and the attendant pollution). It's not consequence-free fun.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by axoltl on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:38PM (#17168039)
Did you read the article? I believe it highlights the difference it makes.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by hackerman12345 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:36PM (#17168360)
It'll force us to fix our infrastructure and be prepared for the future, sounds like a good thing.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by stordoff on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:02PM (#17169087)
Preparing the infrastructure for uses that it was never intended, and most people will never use, doesn't sound like a good thing to me -- it sounds like a waste of money.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by Sir_Substance on Sunday May 27, 2018 @01:36PM (#17168029)
>Cryptocurrencies have been around for 9+ years, and there has been literally 0 use for it apart from conning rubes on the internet.

That's weird, I've been using it to buy stuff off amazon and aliexpress. Am I a conned rube?

Does that mean Visa is conning rubes as well?

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by acdha on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:22PM (#17168271)
> That's weird, I've been using it to buy stuff off amazon and aliexpress.

How? Neither company seems to accept Bitcoin directly.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by bdcravens on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:48PM (#17168422)
Purse.io lets you buy from Amazon
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by acdha on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:50PM (#17168438)
Is Amazon accepting the Bitcoin or is that just a way to convert it into real money first? If the seller doesn't know, it doesn't count as Bitcoin usage — just another Visa transaction.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by Sir_Substance on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:54PM (#17168469)
>If the seller doesn't know, it doesn't count as Bitcoin usage — just another Visa transaction.

You've got some strong arms on you my friend, moving those goal posts so far so fast.

I pay with bitcoin. Stuff arrives in the mail. I am using bitcoin.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by acdha on Sunday May 27, 2018 @03:06PM (#17168534)
That’s as accurate as saying that Amazon accepts payments in stock if I sell some before making a purchase. The fact that you paid a different company to convert your Bitcoin into some real currency is a separate transaction. It doesn’t mean that Amazon has any exposure or investment in the Bitcoin world - just that they take credit cards like everyone else.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by stordoff on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:01PM (#17169082)
If I sell some gold, then use the proceeds to buy from Amazon, I haven't bought anything with gold from Amazon. Yes, you are using Bitcoin, but not to buy from Amazon--it's just another layer on top, it's just another (largely unnecessary) transaction in addition to the existing transaction.
Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by Sir_Substance on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:56PM (#17169307)
A reminder to yourself and acdha, the original assertion was:

>Cryptocurrencies have been around for 9+ years, and there has been literally 0 use for it apart from conning rubes on the internet.

So...

>Yes, you are using Bitcoin

Yes, I am. I don't understand why you two are so angrily and bitterly agreeing with me.

Re:Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Centra... by Sir_Substance on Sunday May 27, 2018 @02:55PM (#17168471)
I use olodolo, but same difference.