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Re:Great product managers don’t spend their time on solutions by ryanSrich on Sunday May 27, 2018 @09:30AM (#17166806)
> "That’s it. That’s why most companies don’t do it. It’s hard work, it’s wrongly viewed as unexciting, it can be hard to justify the initial output."

I have to disagree slightly here. While yes it's hard, unexciting and hard to measure, that still isn't why organizations don't do it.

The reality is that it just takes an incredible amount of time. This is especially true for startups and companies trying to move fast. You have to ask yourself — should I spend 2 sprints talking with customers about their problems, or 2 sprints building a POC that I can then test directly with them. In most cases, good PMs, engineers and designers have some basic idea for a solution that usually gets you 50% of the way there. So while I agree with the article is spirit, it's not a one size fits all process.

Re:Great product managers don’t spend their time on solutions by alexquez on Sunday May 27, 2018 @10:31AM (#17166995)
I've worked at 2 startups for a combined 14 years. One as an engineer and the other as a co-founder. I hate to say it but you and the author are both right.

That's the incredibly frustrating thing about startups. Where to spend your time depends on the context.

At first, you're desperate to validate your product and understand your customers. Spending more time in the lab won't save much time because you have little overhead and changes can happen quickly. Prototypes don't always convey a product's value. Imagine looking at mockups of Dropbox before it was released. I'd be the skeptic saying "So I can only sync one folder? That's stupid!", yet I love Dropbox.

I think Intercom's opinion is based on mature, profitable, companies that build ambitious new products. The proportion of time invested in user research, design and prototyping costs a fraction of changes downstream. My current company is in its sixth year and we have millions of users. In the first six months, users could tweet feature requests and we'd release that week. Building new features today requires a 3-month lead just to be considered for the roadmap.

PM done right can be magical. I don't believe in Smurfs, fairies or 100x devs but I believe in 100x Project Managers.

Re:Great product managers don’t spend their time on solutions by throwaway080383 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @11:01AM (#17167110)
IME "100x devs" have been those that to a certain extent can do their own PM'ing (as well as people managing, have substantial technical chops in their own right, an insane work ethic...).
Re:Great product managers don’t spend their time on solutions by jiveturkey on Sunday May 27, 2018 @11:43AM (#17167333)
100x Product Manager, yep.

100x Project Manager? I don’t see it. Not that they don’t bring value, but project managers just don’t have enough leverage in the process to be 100x.

Re:Great product managers don’t spend their time on solutions by alexquez on Sunday May 27, 2018 @12:10PM (#17167524)
I should have mentioned that this magical 100X PM chooses the right solution to the biggest problem. I'm not referring to the PM who manages a project he or she was given. You can't manage your way to glory if you're solving a problem no one cares about.

Think Drew Houston deciding that magically syncing files on save without an explicit "Do you want to sync" step was a good idea. Magic doesn't happen often, but it exists in the world.

Re:Great product managers don’t spend their time on solutions by ggg9990 on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:50AM (#17170942)
Yes, in a certain way, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, etc. are millionX PMs.