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Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by antris on Friday May 25, 2018 @06:40AM (#17152218)
As I understand it, German obsession with privacy and cash stems largely from WW2. Information that the government had about its citizens were used to round up Jews to put them in ghettos and concentration camps.

It's a lesson that I wish the rest of the world had had as well.

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by wolfgke on Friday May 25, 2018 @07:03AM (#17152367)
> As I understand it, German obsession with privacy and cash stems largely from WW2. Information that the government had about its citizens were used to round up Jews to put them in ghettos and concentration camps.

The Stasi (state security service) also spied a lot on the citizens. Do not forget that the GDR only ceased to exist in 1990.

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by thomascarney on Friday May 25, 2018 @11:03AM (#17154366)
Germany still requires that you register your residence, name, age and religion within two weeks of moving to a new place.

Often, you even have to provide proof from a landlord that you do live there.

The German obsession with privacy has a LOT to do with making life difficult for tech companies, rather than the privacy of its citizens per say.

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by no_identd on Friday May 25, 2018 @11:24AM (#17154579)
>Germany still requires that you register your residence, name, age and religion within two weeks of moving to a new place.

>Often, you even have to provide proof from a landlord that you do live there.

You left out the part where persons wishing to access those government records need to provide justification, a fee, and the access gets logged. Unfortunately, government employees accessing those records aren't as tightly regulated (although it's gotten better, iirc).

So no, it has nothing to do with some intention of 'making life difficult for tech companies'.

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by thomascarney on Friday May 25, 2018 @02:11PM (#17156417)
I would argue it's fair to say that the current regulations were formulated with the intent to restrict the activities of tech companies.

At the same time, though, you might see the problem of having the government collect data on religion (even if safeguards are in place today).

Tomorrow the AfD might be in power, and they might use that data for purposes beyond those envisioned today.

More broadly, I feel, while great to restrict tech companies, there are also very real dangers from the state collecting data.

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by freeflight on Friday May 25, 2018 @12:32PM (#17155332)
Some clarification: Having to register your religion mostly has to do with tax reasons, as the German state collects taxes for both Christian main branches. Outside of that context, it has literally zero relevance and you might as well just claim "No religion".
Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by almost_usual on Friday May 25, 2018 @11:51AM (#17154873)
"The German obsession with privacy has a LOT to do with making life difficult for tech companies"

Some people actually care about their information and who has it more than convenience. Maybe they don't trust corporations and assume their interests don't align. It wouldn't be bad assumption at this point. It's pretty obvious most tech companies value profit over anything else.

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by freeflight on Friday May 25, 2018 @12:28PM (#17155298)
Not just WW2, but even reaching back to the German Empire/Weimar Republic with surveillance of homosexuals [0] and other collections of private citizen data, which to this day is considered a prime example of "You can't guarantee the next government won't abuse that data".

The GDR with it's Stasi also didn't really make a great case for "Trust your government, give them all your data!"

That's why a lot of Germans are very careful about private information, we've seen it abused at large scale, with inhumane results, not just once but twice.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste

Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by John_KZ on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:19AM (#17153935)
Many countries in Europe also faced fascist governments, military coups and oppressive regimes in the last 50-100 years. This leads to a much better understanding on how personal information can be lethal. And it's not just some distant thought, rejected as impossible to happen again. It happened in the past, and given the opportunity, it will happen again.
Re:In Germany, the use of cash has become a proxy for concer... by teamhappy on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:56AM (#17154295)
Census data in particular. Edwin Black wrote a book about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust