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Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by piokoch on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:04AM (#17151539)
Hmm, I thought that too. I assumed that all banks, cell phone operators, etc. that I use would have to ask me for consent to sell my data, track me.

But that did not happen, they just send a note with all those GDPR information what they do with my data and that they have a good news for me: I don't have to do anything, as all my "agreements" are still valid without any action from my side. They haven't given me an option to give consent for, say, calling me, but don't give consent for tracking and profiling. Looks like this is ok, unless Orange got GDPR wrongly and wants to risk fines but I don't believe that.

One of the biggest Polish news portal (wp dot pl) has figure out the fantastic idea - they show a banner with a long, long text, that says at the end that if I close that banner, clicking on X button, I am automatically give them permission to track me and do virtually whatever they want with my data. If I don't agree for their terms and I don't close the banner (which is agreement as well) I am taken to "advanced settings" page that at the end gives me only one option - to agree for tracking and all the shady stuff they want to do with my data. It is impossible to enter their portal without agreeing for everything they want.

WP dot PL is a big business owned by a big German media company, so I guess they figured out everything correctly, apparently the regulation has a lot of loopholes and anyone with smart lawyers can overcome GDPR easily.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by krageon on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:57AM (#17151768)
"I guess they figured out everything correctly"

You guess wrong. The situation you described does not comply with the GDPR. Report them to the legislative agency that handles these things in your region - if they're a big target they will be high up on the list of companies being audited.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by deanCommie on Friday May 25, 2018 @06:34AM (#17152176)
Slate is doing this too - full page block of the site with only a single "Agree" button to click. No customization or opt out:

Slate’s Use of Your Data By clicking “Agree,” you consent to Slate’s Terms of Service and Privacy Policy and the use of technologies such as cookies by Slate and our partners to deliver relevant advertising on our site, in emails and across the Internet, personalize content and perform site analytics. Please see our Privacy Policy for more information about our use of data, your rights, and how to withdraw consent.

The terms of service is https://slate.com/terms The privacy is https://slate.com/privacy

Oh sure, there are some links like "Opt-out from data use". Which are just...mailto links to [email protected]

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by Doxin on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:20AM (#17151605)
The "agree by closing this popup" tactic is, as far as I can tell, not allowed under GDPR. Here's hoping all the companies that do that get slapped with a fine.
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by Brotkrumen on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:54AM (#17151754)
This forever popup unless you accept should run afoul of the language in GDPR that forbids the degradation of a service if a user does not opt in.
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by jbrooksuk on Friday May 25, 2018 @05:17AM (#17151847)
Likewise "by continuing to browse this website, you agree" implied consent is no longer allowed.
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by zingmars on Friday May 25, 2018 @08:14AM (#17152801)
They won't be. They will be first be notified and then fined if they refuse to comply.
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by ColinWright on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:48AM (#17151730)
I've had two companies do that to me. Today I've sent a request for all my data, and included a note that they appear not to be complying with the legislation. I add that I will check again in a week, and will consider reporting them to the appropriate authorities.

I doubt it will have much effect, and I'm only doing this to companies I don't mind being cut off from, but it's a start, and I hope more people start to take seriously their legitimate rights.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by lol-lol on Friday May 25, 2018 @05:07AM (#17151811)
The only problem with this Polish news portal is that they will get warning and then got punished if they dont comply so this is not "fantastic idea".

What they are doing is direct violation of GDPR and a really bad idea. There was a complaint filled this morning agains Google, Facebook, Whatsapp and Instagram doing something similar but to lesser extent.

https://noyb.eu

I just cant understand why is everyone trying to push all its intelectual power into trying to workaround GDPR instead of trying to comply, for most website it is trivial as they are in breach of GDPR just becoase they collect the data they dont need.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by Isinlor on Saturday May 26, 2018 @05:17AM (#17161051)
GDPR doesn't require consent for data processing.

Seems like they claim that they base the data processing on:

1. contract about delivering services between you and them

2. profiling is based on a legitimate interest of their administration

3. sending data to third parties based on consent

The way they write it I would call "Polish legalese", so I'm quite confident it was written very carefully by a lawyer and they know it is sketchy.

BTW I really recommend reading "Guidelines on Consent under [GDPR]" by Article 29 Working Pary, an EU body established by the previous directive. It's written in simple language with examples of what is valid consent. And how regulators think about it.

http://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/article29/item-detail.cfm?item_...

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by lol-lol on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:08PM (#17188889)
I am sorry but you are wrong.

Legitimate interest is so wrongly understood. You can only use it if your business is not able to function without some PI and for nothing else. For example if you are having an online store, it is perfectly ok to require name and address as you cant deliver goods to the customer without it. The phone number is already fishy (if you already have another mean to communicate). Using 3rd party by default that is doing monitoring/tracking is a no go, you cant put it under the legitimate interest. And you cant force user to give you a consent by denying access as this is violating that it has to be given free. You will get a consent this way but it will be invalidated in case someone complains to ICO and then you have troubles. And I have talked to our ICO in person. And Google already got a complain. So did facebook and instagram and whatsapp.

I think that persons that were saying that analytics is ok didnt read THIS: "Article 29 Working Party, Opinion 6/2014 on the notion of legitimate interest of the data controller under Article 7" page 25. (http://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinion...): "However this does not mean that controllers would be able to rely on article 7(f) to unduly monitor..."

You can thank me later ;)

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by Isinlor on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:59PM (#17208801)
The fact is that GDPR defines 6 bases for data processing, therefore consent is not always required. But I think you just missed a part where I wrote: "they claim" ;).

And I agree with you. Something quite simple like consent is very misunderstood. Something so vague as legitimate interest is bound to be misunderstood.

I was actually looking for some analysis of "legitimate interest" because I have no idea how to apply it in practice, but I couldn't find anything. So yeah, thanks for the link :).

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by TeMPOraL on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:44AM (#17153604)
> I just cant understand why is everyone trying to push all its intelectual power into trying to workaround GDPR

Because they make lots of money on user-hostile practices, and they want to find a way to keep this profit source.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by simias on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:21AM (#17151611)
I would be curious to hear how this pattern could be considered to conform to the GDPR. From what I understand it has to be opt-in.

I don't speak polish but I went on the website you're talking about using Google translate and indeed I can't see any way to refuse to give them my info. The "if you click X you agree" bit is probably the shadiest of them all.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by jocro on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:42AM (#17151706)
EDIT: Didn't realize you were referring specifically to the sneaky pop-up. Agree with you on that one.

From a brief reading of it the other day, it seems data that is necessary to provide a contracted service (like, say, providing access to a cellular network) has a specific exemption to express consent.

Check out items 1a & 1b in Article 6 of Chapter 2[1]:

"1Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies:

A: the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data for one or more specific purposes;

B: processing is necessary for the performance of a contract to which the data subject is party or in order to take steps at the request of the data subject prior to entering into a contract;"

[1]https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by e12e on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:54AM (#17151755)
Re: your second point: cellular providers will "automatically" get to track you in real time for the purpose of cell tower hand-over etc.

They do not automatically get to keep that data forever, or sell it to a third party. According to how I read the GDPR - I'm not a lawyer ; this is not legal advice, etc.

Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by icebraining on Friday May 25, 2018 @06:37AM (#17152186)
Yes, it's specified in Recital 50: https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-50/
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by e12e on Friday May 25, 2018 @09:22PM (#17159544)
Yes... What? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying?
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by yulaow on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:57AM (#17151769)
They MUST give you an option to retire consent at anytime, even after you gave it willingly (or not), this is an explicit requirement of the GDPR
Re:Some frustrated publishers are sitting out Google’s GDPR ... by gchadwick on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:41AM (#17151703)
> apparently the regulation has a lot of loopholes and anyone with smart lawyers can overcome GDPR easily

I think time will tell on that one. It's hard to say how well currently attempted loopholes actually work until they've been tested in court.

As for wp dot pl nothing stopping you from avoiding the site altogether. Yes it's frustrating they insist on tracking you and selling your data as their only business model but at least they have to tell you up-front about it now so you can avoid the site (and have them delete all data they hold on you) if you do not want them doing this.

Edit: though from re-reading your post and the replies sounds like wp dot pl aren't doing things right and need to be more up-front about what you're agreeing to.