One can’t make a reasonable argument that anything is “supposed” to be consumed by another creature. Eggs aren’t inherently meant to be eaten, yet many predators scavenge them and they happen to be a good food source.

The claim I often hear is that we shouldn’t drink milk because we didn’t evolve with it as a part of our diet, but that’s simply not how evolution works. At some point, every food source became a part of each animal’s diet and things went from there; it’s not as though all food sources were set in stone before Homo Sapiens came into existence.

No arguments from me on the zany claim that camel milk will cure stomach ailments, though.

I see your point for Omnivore, but we aren't Omnivores :)

I've heard opinions like this around the traps (most recently from upper management at my workplaces) but the arguments all seem to have the subjective unsubstantiated hallmarks of things like the paleo diet.

Is there any tangible evidence or consensus around the anti-dairy movement or is it all anecdotal? Has anyone actually had their doctor echo statements like that?

There is a pretty good documentation about that topic Valles "what the health" on Netflix. Doctors don't get diet education and don't know how important food is for our health. Watch the movie, it's pretty good!

Milk (and milk-derived foods like cheese and butter) have been a staple food in Europe for more than seven millennia. That's why most European-descended people are lactose-tolerant; it was so nutritious that we kept eating it until we evolved a tolerance for it. If your ancestors were European (or African, or Mongolian), you are absolutely "made" to drink milk.

I never understood why drinking animal milk is supposed to be weirder than killing them and eating their flesh, anyway.

I am a picky eater so I doubt I could ever go vegan but I do think some of the stuff done is really odd and sad... Like to lactate they need to keep having babies. Like if you're a woman you can't just go produce breast milk on demand like it's some sort of tap. Because the milk is meant to feed your young. That's why we have veal, as they keep having to have babies and they don't want to spend the resources to let them grow up to be big happy cows on a open field. So they are killed so young, little chance to even live and start their lives.

Then for silk fabric, they boil the sac's alive. Then a lot of meat and egg plants, due to bio security the employees there have to wear company issued underwear and clothes which isn't cleaned between shifts always... Some reports of them wearing disposable diapers instead for underwear.

So a lot of odd things go on in the farming industry. I love eating steak and chicken but if I had to go kill them myself I'd feel so guilty. Well some kids raised on farms will play with the chickens and then grow up where their parrents force them to kill them and help out on the farm.

Seems like a hard life. I always wanted to own a farm though, nice open fields and private. No loud neighbors or anything, seems peaceful but I'd stick to somthing like corn, water melons, pumpkins, potatoes probably. Well plants are technically alive too but I guess they don't show any emotion and aren't fluffy.

> Like to lactate they need to keep having babies. Like if you're a woman you can't just go produce breast milk on demand like it's some sort of tap

Not true - a woman will keep producing milk for as long as it is being taken. A woman could continue to express milk indefinitely after stopping feeding their infant. As an aside, lookup "nursing maids".

Interesting, wonder if the same applies with cows?

I know on PETA's website they say "Cows produce milk for the same reason why humans and other mammals do: to nourish their young. But the millions of cows who live on U.S. dairy farms are forced into a vicious cycle of continuous pregnancy so that they will produce milk for human consumption." [1]

Only reason I really looked into this is I have a friend who's vegan and I'm like "What's wrong with milk? How are you hurting them?" since not eating their meat. Thinking cows that made milk were some magical special animal that main purpose was just making milk.

I've never been a huge fan of plain milk, but I do love ice cream, milk in coffee, mashed potatoes, tomato soup I like with milk better, etc.

[1] https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/animals-us...

I honestly don't know either way, but I wouldn't trust PETA's word on anything without double-checking. I believe they mean well, but they've never shied from bending the truth and using blatant propaganda techniques to try to meet their ends.

If cows are forced into continuous pregnancy, it's more likely to be because beef is very profitable...

Both ways of getting their milk and flesh is wired, aren't it?

Does anybody know if there are long term studies about the effect on health, of drinking milk?

I have been drinking a gallon of full fat milk every five days, for 40 years (yes, that is about 3,000 gallons of milk). I am kinda wondering if it is wise to continue for the next 40 years...

Humans aren't "supposed to" do a lot of things by that standard; drink milk, drive cars, use computers. Feel free to go back to the African Plains and live "naturally" if you want; I like being "unnatural".

... As is rape and kill others. Just because it happens doesn't make it morally right.