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Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by vosper on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:05PM (#17146640)
Don't rule out hydrogen just yet - at least not for cars (and then using your car as a generator to power your home):

http://www.thedrive.com/tech/14431/are-hydrogen-cars-the-nex...

Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by mattygh on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:44PM (#17149767)
I'd be very surprised if hydrogen vehicles work out. Hydrogen is not a source but rather a store of energy like a battery is. There's a few practical and technical issues:

1 it would require building out entirely new infrastructure, running up against severe NIMBYism at this point. It's incredibly hard to even build new power lines right now. Try a highly combustible, very leaky gas.

2 it's far cheaper to just strip H2 from natural gas, which releases carbon (unless you capture it, increasing cost), so not carbon free unless you force using electrolysis from renewable power sources

3 Electrolysis efficiency is ~70%, fuel cell efficiency is ~60%, so round trip efficiency is <50%. Much more waste than a battery (~80%). You're both using essentially the same electricity to create the power, but hydrogen is wasting more of it, so will necessarily be more expensive

4 in vehicles, fuel cells end up charging the battery toi power the motor anyway, so the energy loss from the battery is a wash

The one thing they have is range and speed to refuel, but as batteries get cheaper and better that will be minimized before H2 gets big enough to take over.

There's lots of big companies with smart people who are still pushing for this so hopefully they know what they are doing (mostly in Japan it seems)

Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by brimstedt on Friday May 25, 2018 @12:56PM (#17155582)
Possibly a bit off topic,but why do we charge the batteries at stations rather than switching them with full ones?
Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by rahulroy9202 on Monday May 28, 2018 @08:14AM (#17172003)
probably because we park our cars, instead of giving them away when we reach our destination, and getting one when we need to go again.
Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by cwkoss on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:49PM (#17149788)
Have we figured out a good way to store Hydrogen that avoids leakage? I've heard that even thick-walled stainless steel vessels can leak ~1% a day.
Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by binarymax on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:52PM (#17149804)
Yeah, you coat the cell interior with platinum. Adds significantly to the cost and complexity of production though.
Re:Ditch the Batteries: Off-Grid Compressed Air Energy Storage by jgamman on Thursday May 24, 2018 @10:08PM (#17150103)
and use platinum in the fuel cells. the real-world problems are pretty obvious though - Pt is worth stealing and it's expensive 'cause there aint that much of it so you can't expect to use 100x as much as now and not expect the price to change. FC's are niche. Batteries won.