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Re:China's social credit system blocked 11M flights and 4M t... by stcredzero on Thursday May 24, 2018 @01:25PM (#17146245)
False equivalency in action.

That's sneaky. It's a meta-false-equivalency! You are trying to conflate equivalency in principle with equivalency in degree. Somehow, just a little violence and mayhem -- using authoritarian force to gain compliance -- is better because it is less. By that logic, a little rape better than a lot of it! Nice principle! In fairness, you probably just talked yourself into that, and didn't realize. You see, principles like human rights matter, and not adhering to them brings you into these contradictions.

Then, if you've ever conflated a normal run of the mill social democrat or a socialist or liberal democrat or centrist with a stalinist -- particularly without sufficient evidence -- or even if you've ever held your tongue while others representing right wingers have done so -- you are a hypocrite.

Fact: Many of those are equivalent in terms of being collectivist. The evidence is in on collectivist governments. (Which include Nazism and Fascism, by the way.) Stalinism is only the extreme endpoint. So people who do violence, do violence. Those who do not, do not. People who violate human rights are people who violate human rights. People who abet those violations, abet those violations. There is no contradiction there. The only equivalency is between those who would do violence to impose their political will on others who only seek to exercise their human rights to free speech. It's a moral equivalency on principle, as opposed to your intellectually bankrupt non-equivalency on quantity.

For the record, I save the terms "fascist" and "Nazi" for actual fascists, including the ones trying to be cute about it

Do you correct and speak out against your fellow Antifa who mess that up? Not doing so is basically like standing by while someone racially bashes someone. (An experience that I know first hand, by the way: being racially bashed while others stand around.) Lumping people into groups, when it hides the truth and short-circuits logic is disgusting to me. Standing by, complicit, when people smear others in your name is just as bad.

Black Bloc beats up fascists and yes, cause petty vandalism.

You absolutely cannot draw equivalency between them. They are in completely different leagues.

Then by your own words, you are alright with just a little bit of immorality, violation of human rights, and authoritarian use of force, just because you see fit to do it. A little bit of what fascists do -- beating people up and intimidating them for their view of "justice" -- is alright, because it's not as bad, being less in quantity than Nazis. Thanks for clearing that up.

Any movement that depends on the other side being worse to justify itself has failed to justify itself on principles. Such a movement is morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Re:China's social credit system blocked 11M flights and 4M t... by KozmoNau7 on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:47PM (#17147042)
I am not going to debate anything further with someone who conflates a wide range of different political movements under the same umbrella, "because they're all collectivist". That is a dangerously unstable high horse to sit on.

Good day.

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Re:China's social credit system blocked 11M flights and 4M t... by KozmoNau7 on Thursday May 24, 2018 @03:51PM (#17147655)
I said I wouldn't debate, but I do want to clear up a grave misunderstanding.

>"your politics"

There you go again completely conflating wildly disparate political movements.

I'm primarily AnCom, not pro-authoritarian dictatorship ala Stalin. There's a pretty big difference, and calling an AnCom (or even just a run-of-the-mill socialist) a stalinist is a grave insult.

Unless you make up for that in a very big fashion, we're completely done here.