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Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by tambourine_man on Thursday May 24, 2018 @12:59PM (#17145983)
>Yes, it's ultimately a convenience, but so is indoor plumbing and store bought bread.

I’m sorry, clean water and food are not conviniences. They are among the most basics of human needs. That’s the kind of thing that scares me. That someone would make such a comparison with a straight face.

Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by grkvlt on Thursday May 24, 2018 @01:35PM (#17146320)
This is the kind of argument that seems really common and I find very annoying. So 'indoor plumbing' is obviously used to provide us with clean water, but the convenience aspect is the indoor part - you can have clean water from an outdoor communal well, instead. Similarly 'store bought bread' is food, but so is home made bread. I just cannot work out if the commenter was being deliberately obtuse or really misunderstood?
Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by tambourine_man on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:01PM (#17146579)
> you can have clean water from an outdoor communal well, instead

Have you ever considered that this is not the case in most of the world? Resources are far from evenly distributed.

It is not by chance that the availability of indoor plumbing correlates to increase in life expectancy. It's nice that I can just open the tap and clean water comes out, but it's also a lot more sanitary than people carrying and storing buckets around.

>I just cannot work out if the commenter was being deliberately obtuse or really misunderstood?

Same here. Comparing the savings of a few steps towards a light switch to clean water and cheap food is intellectual dishonesty at best and severe ignorance at worse.

Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by wilsonnb on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:52PM (#17147096)
The whole point is that they were not comparing anything to clean water or cheap food. They were comparing something to water that doesn't need to be moved inside manually and bread that doesn't have to be made at home.

Neither of which is needed to live. Both of which are conveniences.

Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by tambourine_man on Thursday May 24, 2018 @03:11PM (#17147260)
It's not though, please reread the comment above. Water brought and stored in buckets from an outdoor communal well would not be nearly as clean or as plentiful. There's a reason we have indoor plumbing and convenience is just one of them. And I can't believe I have to explain this here.
Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by vorpalhex on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:23AM (#17153968)
You seem to be intentionally missing the point. Change my earlier examples to remote controls for your TV if you prefer.

Convenience does, absolutely, have strong value and can be meaningful improvement to one's life. Generalized voice control is a major and meaningful convenience - even if it's currently early and might have some problems - because it drastically changes how we can interact with our environments.

Sure, we can short sell the case as "not needing to walk to a light switch", but even then if it's dark, my arms are full, and the path to the switch is littered with children's toys then that's a meaningful improvement to be able to say "Hey google, turn on the living room light".

Consider cases of people with severe MS or who otherwise can't easily walk. Sure, they could hook up a remote control and keep it near them, or get one of those stupid clapper things, but even then that only works for the lights.

A generalized voice assistant gives me control over my house, from anywhere my voice can be heard, and not only executes my actions, but can give me realtime feedback and data. Best of all, this requires no special skills on my part, just a willingness to talk to the damned thing loudly and clearly with simple words.

Can it act as a wire tap? Of course it can. My store bought bread can also be contaminated (right now in my area there is a huge contamination issue with eggs and lettuce), my indoor plumbing can burst and flood my house, so on. It's a new technology, it has kinks and flaws, and we're currently in the early adopter curve of it moving towards the initial disappointment trend.

Re:Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out ... by tambourine_man on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @03:53AM (#17177202)
> Change my earlier examples to remote controls for your TV if you prefer.

My disagreement with you is precisely because you consider them equally interchangeable.

To me, putting those two on the same level is actually offensive.

If data on the increased life expectancy isn’t persuasive enough, I suggest you speak with someone with no access to basic sanitation. Ask them what they think of this comparison.