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Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by MereInterest on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @08:28PM (#17139815)
Nah, you could short-sell Bitcoin. Take out a sell option, crash the value, buy cheap, then exercise the option. Information is valuable, no matter which direction it predicts the market to go.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by pgwhalen on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @08:39PM (#17139891)
An interesting thought, but in practice, trading derivatives affects the value of the underlying pretty strongly. Whoever is selling you those puts is selling bitcoin (or futures) to hedge, which would drive the price down as you try to put on your position.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by physguy1123 on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @10:07PM (#17140442)
With options, buying deep OTM puts won't result in an immediate impact on the underlying market because they have such low delta and market makers aren't going to move a lot of spot to hedge it.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by AndrewBissell on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:29PM (#17140867)
The problem is that if you successfully rook put sellers in this way for some ungodly amount of money, they will never be able to pay out on your claim. Kinda like when all the big Wall Street Banks were caught out because AIG was threatening to go bankrupt and default on their CDS.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by physguy1123 on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:48AM (#17143055)
You might never exercise the option, but you could probably resell the option at a far higher price
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by pgwhalen on Friday May 25, 2018 @10:55PM (#17159925)
It wouldn't be immediate, but the second you put on a trade with any kind of size that far out of the money, the market makers will wise up.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by thisisit on Thursday May 24, 2018 @12:22AM (#17141074)
That sounds like a perfect trade. But doing something like that will paint a target on hacker/s back. So, slowly leaching is a much better idea than getting it in one shot.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by pbreit on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @10:26PM (#17140524)
I would think a slow-play is significantly easier. For one, it doesn’t require much capital, unlike shorting.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by tome on Thursday May 24, 2018 @05:39AM (#17142451)
Where would you buy a put (sell) option on Bitcoin (without substantial counterparty or settlement risk)? I genuinely want to know. I would have bought one in November if I could have.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by actsasbuffoon on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:59AM (#17143116)
I’ve read about plans to introduce crypto currency ETFs, but I’m not aware of any that are publicly traded yet.
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by tome on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:03AM (#17143130)
Even then it's not clear you'll be able to buy options on them...
Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by martinald on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:33AM (#17142982)
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Re:Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose M... by thinkmassive on Thursday May 24, 2018 @12:23PM (#17145571)
Bitmex