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Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by romaniv on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @12:49PM (#17135644)
This doesn't automatically mean GANs can outpace any detection method.
Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by Cacti on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @01:32PM (#17136094)
Furthermore, if the Generator outpaces the Discriminator by too much then the generator stops learning, or, worse, degenerates into mode collapse. Generators and Discriminators have to be close to each other in capability for either to get anywhere.
Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by smallnamespace on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @12:54PM (#17135696)
If the detection methods are publicly available, then you simply incorporate the detection method in your training regimen.

Effective detection methods may end up being closely guarded secrets.

Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by londons_explore on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @01:18PM (#17135958)
They need to be publicly available and differentiable to be able to use as an opponent for a GAN.

Pretty much nothing except other neural networks are differentiable, unless you put effort into designing them to be.

Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by supermdguy on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @09:36PM (#17140256)
It's feasible to design a reinforcement learning based network that uses output from a non-differentiable deepfake detector as a component of the loss function.
Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by mikec3010 on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @03:14PM (#17137191)
And can you imagine the impact of false positives? Prosecutor has the perp on video committing a heinous offense but it's still insufficient evidence because of a software bug.
Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by jessaustin on Thursday May 24, 2018 @08:30AM (#17143274)
We can dream of juries that wise... haven't seen one yet though have we?
Re:The US military is funding an effort to catch deepfakes a... by GunwaleHamilton on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @01:15PM (#17135917)
Which means we would have to rely on an "Authority" who cannot be independently verified, because we do not know the secret sauce they are using.