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Re:Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today by kuschku on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @06:05AM (#17132781)
And do you know why that happened? Ever considered the reason?

Just like cameras had a megapixel war, vacuums had a power war. In reading electricity consumption without increasing actual air throughput.

At its height there were 3500W vacuums with less than 10% effectivity. Billions of euros every year were wasted on electricity for this.

Just like the laws encouraging LEDs, the vacuum laws had a major effect, manufacturers could easily switch to brushless motors and did.

I have a vacuum from before and after the regulation here.

2400W vs 900W.

The 900W one creates a stronger vacuum than the 2400W one.

The regulation has not just been necessary, it's also been an amazing success.

Every European saves money on electricity, the environment is damaged less and we have more efficient and powerful vacuums.

And similar with the incandescent light ban. It led manufacturers to new innovation, which in turn meant LEDs quickly became popular and over the years better.

By now 1200lm 8W E27 leds are in every IKEA for 10€.

As a result of these two policies electricity usage could be significantly reduced, helping the environment and your electricity costs.

There's absolutely no way you can declare these policies a failure.

Just like the cucumber regulation, which, after it ended, stores started enforcing on their own, because they need that regulation.

Re:Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today by sparkling on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @06:12AM (#17132825)
Its funny that you mention the light bulbs. Actually, the EU did NOT encourage LED light bulbs for the longest time.

You may recall that they banned some conventional wolfram based light bulbs and instead tried to force compact fluorescent lamps (CFL) to the consumer, not LEDs. This has actually lead to a huge recycling problem. The CFLs contain mercury, the plastic parts are hard to recycle and the glass can not be recycled because it is contaminated.

Its not EU regulation that made the LEDs popular, it was consumer demand.

Re:Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @06:19AM (#17132853)
What actually happened was that they set a minimum efficiency for lightbulbs, which tungsten bulbs didn't meet, but CFLs (and some halogens) did. LED bulbs weren't quite ready for prime time at that point.

They actually did the most sensible thing possible. They set a target efficiency, and let the manufacturers figure out which technology to use in order to meet those requirements. The alternative would have been to make a specific energy-efficient technology mandatory, which would have unfairly benefited manufacturers focusing on that specific technology, and would have made the law outdated when a better technology inevitably comes along.

Nobody forced CFLs on people. They were simply the best option at that time, until LED bulbs improved.

Re:Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today by kuschku on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @06:25AM (#17132883)
And in my family we didn't buy CFLs as response to the law, instead we bought LEDs from day one. At first they were quite bad and expensive, but due to the demand, over time, they significantly improved.

It was absolutely possible.

Re:Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today by pluma on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @07:42AM (#17133286)
Do you even remember what LED bulbs were like when the traditional bulbs went the way of the dodo? The reason CFLs were popular wasn't that the EU mandated them, it was that LED bulbs at the time were utter rubbish. If anything the ban increased a demand for proper LED lighting. If everyone was still happily using tungsten I doubt we'd have anywhere near the range of quality LED lighting we have today.