Re:Sweden distributes 'be prepared for war' leaflet to all 4...
by eesmith on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @05:58PM
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The term "no-go zone" has many different meanings.
In the context of this thread, I bought it up because legostormtrooper described areas which are 'refused public utility service'. This is surely a very strong definition of no-go area.
I mentioned no-go area in the general context as used in my country - I am an American - to mean an area where the police, etc. will not go or where the police have "lost control" of an area and the national laws do not apply.
Going then to the interview, the union head clearly stated that they do enter these areas. This is not the same as a no-go zone where people are refused public utility service or where police and rescue people will not go.
Therefore, when you use it to demonstrate that "no-go areas" exist, you are using it in a different sense than the original context.
Since I gave references which described exactly what I meant by "no-go area", and you gave a reference to someone using a different definition, I can easily interpret it as you not caring to consider what I was writing, perhaps because you have an ax to grind, or that it is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue and normalize the wider use of "no-go area".
But hey, I'm from the US, where we have many areas "where public services like police, fire brigade, ambulance, mail and delivery are hindered by threats of violence." As a kid, I remember stores of New York City where the locals called the fire department when there were problems because they were afraid of the cops. We had a standoff a couple of years ago where a self-styled militia had a standoff against the local authorities - and then won in court.
We've got many areas of the US which are effectively off-limits for blacks and other minorities.
If I'm going to accept your wider definition of "no-go area", then I want to see it really being used for something other than "places where we are worried about Muslim refugees and immigrants."
And that's why I keep referring to it as a xenophobic term.
In the context of this thread, I bought it up because legostormtrooper described areas which are 'refused public utility service'. This is surely a very strong definition of no-go area.
I mentioned no-go area in the general context as used in my country - I am an American - to mean an area where the police, etc. will not go or where the police have "lost control" of an area and the national laws do not apply.
For example, https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zo... .
It is absolutely true that "no-go area" is used more broadly than that, in general. For example, http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/16216099.Dog_fouli... is titled "Dog fouling making popular nature reserve 'no-go area'"
Going then to the interview, the union head clearly stated that they do enter these areas. This is not the same as a no-go zone where people are refused public utility service or where police and rescue people will not go.
Therefore, when you use it to demonstrate that "no-go areas" exist, you are using it in a different sense than the original context.
Since I gave references which described exactly what I meant by "no-go area", and you gave a reference to someone using a different definition, I can easily interpret it as you not caring to consider what I was writing, perhaps because you have an ax to grind, or that it is a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue and normalize the wider use of "no-go area".
But hey, I'm from the US, where we have many areas "where public services like police, fire brigade, ambulance, mail and delivery are hindered by threats of violence." As a kid, I remember stores of New York City where the locals called the fire department when there were problems because they were afraid of the cops. We had a standoff a couple of years ago where a self-styled militia had a standoff against the local authorities - and then won in court.
We've got many areas of the US which are effectively off-limits for blacks and other minorities.
If I'm going to accept your wider definition of "no-go area", then I want to see it really being used for something other than "places where we are worried about Muslim refugees and immigrants."
And that's why I keep referring to it as a xenophobic term.