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Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by lisper on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @02:21PM (#17128178)
Don't mistake a small loose end in a complex argument condensed to fit in an HN comment for proof that the argument is wrong.
Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by Retric on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @02:31PM (#17128267)
Well the holes in your arguments are deeper than that. A viable strategy need not be the only or even the optimal strategy.

If couple has kids and those kids find someone in a local tribe then both tribes and lone families would have worked. In effect you are trying to redefine his argument not just in terms of recorded history but also both couples not an individual one.

Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by lisper on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @02:38PM (#17128330)
> If couple has kids and those kids find someone in a local tribe then both tribes and lone families would have worked.

You're attacking a straw man. Of course a couple can reproduce if they are in proximity to a tribe. But that still requires a tribe. It is a couple in isolation that is not viable.

Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by Retric on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @04:28PM (#17129141)
The couple are irrelevant at that point. People can travel ~10,000 miles a year on foot. The fact their kids leave in no way impacts them being in isolation. Heck, someone can know where other people are and still be isolated.

QED they can reproduce in isolation.

Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by lisper on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @04:36PM (#17129212)
I rarely see people on HN miss the point quite this badly. Reddit, yes, but not here.

The point is: for your scenario to play out, a tribe has to exist (and it has to be close enough for the couple's offspring to find it, but that's a detail). No tribe, no viable reproduction. Hence, the tribe is the minimum viable unit, even if it also occasionally supports an isolated couple somewhere in the vicinity.

Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by barrkel on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @05:24AM (#17132573)
Your argument is only true in the trivial sense that sexually reproducing organisms are only viable in larger numbers than a single pair; but that's a distinction that doesn't demarcate anything interesting. Humans are like ants, you say, but your argument also leads to the same conclusion about tigers, bears and other solitary animals in that they need more than a breeding pair to be viable. It descends into tautology.

Yes, humans are somewhat like ants in that they are usually social. Humans are adaptable enough to survive in pairs, though lack of specialization means they won't necessarily live the most comfortable life, so it would be an unusual choice. But there's nothing elective about ants' socialism. So in the end I don't think your argument works.

Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by lisper on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @04:54PM (#17138172)
> your argument also leads to the same conclusion about tigers, bears and other solitary animals in that they need more than a breeding pair to be viable

No. Those species have specialized adaptations that allow them to live in isolation, which humans lack. And it's not just humans. All simians lack these adaptations. Indeed, the vast majority (perhaps all -- I can't think of a single counterexample) of non-carnivore mammals lack them.

Re:Mosaicism: The genome varies from cell to cell by Retric on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @06:40AM (#17132960)
Isolation does not mean other groups don't exist. It means lack of contact, and the adults don't need contact and as I have said children can move as happens with many territorial animals.