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Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by mannykannot on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @09:20AM (#17125699)
An interesting statement here:

'One answer, as outlined by VanRullen and Koch (2003), is that continuous representation “cannot satisfactorily account for a large body of psychophysical data”. For example, 1 cent does not typically have much value to most people. However, a person may decide to buy a product if priced at $1.99 – yet, refuse to buy the same product if priced 1 cent higher at $2.00. Such an abrupt (or step) change in the brain’s purchasing decision cannot be modeled using a continuous representation despite extensive attempts to do so (Basu, 1997).'

The tacit assumption made here seems to be that our concept of number is hard-coded into our brains at the physical signal level, and so that when we think of the number 2, some part of our brain generates a physical signal that has the quantity of 2 (absent that assumption, why would one think that this experiment tells us anything about how signals are physically encoded in the brain?)

AFAIK, it is generally thought that our concept of numbers is at a more abstract, symbol-manipulation level (especially when, as in this example, fractions are involved.) It seems to me that this paradox (which looks like a variant of the sorites paradox, e.g. what is the minimum size of a heap of sand?) is resolved if we consider peoples' tendency to disregard the pennies in a monetary amount.

Caveat / mea culpa: I have not read the papers referenced in the quote.

Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by Nasrudith on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @10:37AM (#17126178)
Perhaps it is an "abstraction bug" that results in existing discrete handling math not coming into play? We do not reject a glass being slightly below a filling ring as being ripped off but would to being charged 10 percent more. Cents are modeled as a second variable instead of part of a whole for a variety of reasons. Brains tend to learn to skip "irrelevant" steps with experience. Thus we catch "shortcuts" like looking at only the dollar amount and not the trailing 99 cents. If we were dealing with say metal dust as currency we would be unimpressed by slightly smaller payment scoops as discounts.
Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by evrydayhustling on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @11:40AM (#17126723)
Yeah, as a layman on the biological side of this paper, some of the reasoning feels circular or to embed additional assumptions.

The 1.99 ~= 2.00 is one example. The authors intend to determine whether any continuous model could account for a difference in behavior, but their example only rules out models where that one cent difference is considered trivial. A continuous model might be preturbed in a way that makes those prices subjectively far apart.

The same goes for the information retrieval task. They are saying that biology can't perform a discreet classification task without having a discreet representation somewhere.

Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by Retric on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @10:23AM (#17126089)
Alternatively, people tend to simply ignore the sub dollar parts of prices as largely meaningless information.
Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by posterboy on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @12:54PM (#17127382)
> AFAIK, it is generally thought that our concept of numbers is at a more abstract, symbol-manipulation level

Which is a necessary abstraction to inhibit the aforementioned fallacy. Not that I know any particulars or anything.

Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by chongli on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @10:10AM (#17126014)
It's really surprising to me that people still fall for the $1.99 trick. When I see any price I instantly round it up to the nearest dollar, hundred, thousand, etc. It makes comparisons so much easier!
Re:Is Information in the Brain Represented in Continuous or ... by CPLX on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @10:25AM (#17126107)
I bet you don't. In the sense that if you were under extreme surveillance and someone analyzed all your purchasing decisions there would be a detectable difference in your behavior based on the "99 cent trick".

It's a pretty well known cognitive bias to overestimate ones resistance to cognitive biases.