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Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by erkkie on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:53AM (#17101420)
You don't ship HSM's with keys (you initialise them on-device yourself) nor can you read read keys out from one (at least in theory).
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by mygo on Friday May 18, 2018 @10:28AM (#17101723)
if the goal is to gain access to HSM’s signing functionality and you don’t need to know the HSM’s keys to gain access to its signing functionality then something else is being guarded that is essentially the key.. For example be it a machine locked in a room, then the room key is the key. Or maybe someone’s retina, or a sign-off from someone with clearance, etc. (at least in theory)

That’s a general theory though, but I’d think the same fundamentals apply

Also this only serves to prove that some powerful entity that operates on secrecy, like a government or mega corp, is likely who executed this. I’d like to fantasize some suave, determined black market salesman with a rough childhood and his band of cyber criminals broke into both of these facilities, but seeing how difficult it is to accomplish something like this, it seems more likely that someone just let them in through the front door.

Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by Cthulhu_ on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:55AM (#17101445)
In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice they're not.
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by ddtaylor on Friday May 18, 2018 @10:02AM (#17101517)
Well, an HSM that doesn't meet those requirements is essentially spoiled milk and of little value. I agree many HSMs are found vulnerable eventually.