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Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by 0x0 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:01PM (#17097388)
Facebook was a lot more fun when there was a chronological timeline of non-rich-text status updates and comments from friends. These days it's all semi-spam from pages and random week-old friend's FB activities being surfaced in a poorly targeted fashion. I know there are interesting posts by people on my friend list but they're simply being hidden. Maybe some fb developer was happy with increased engagement metrics merely caused by confused users forever scrolling up and down in desperate attempts to find out where all their friends whose posts used to show up have gone.

And when actual friends' posts show up, 90% of the time it's a like or a share of some uninspiring web page's article with no comment.

It's like it's become digg.com curated by your non-techie acquaintances, with a bonus ORDER BY RANDOM() thrown in for good measure.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by taneq on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:31PM (#17097607)
Also their stupid push to make each single-line shitpost bigger and flashier and more impactful has driven the information density way down.

It was bad enough when people started posting pictures of text instead of just posting the text. Now they're posting videos of static text. What's next, immersive VR full sensory presentation to convey "its weekend party yay lol :D :D:D:D:D" posts?

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by newscracker on Friday May 18, 2018 @12:05AM (#17098607)
It's like flashy banner ads from the 90s back again that people jumped to for grabbing attention. At that time it was ads, now it's people posting their thoughts in this fashion. Since Facebook provides these backgrounds only up to a certain message character length limit, many people curate their messages just so it would fit with these flashy backgrounds.

And because these posts with the backgrounds get larger font sizes compared to normal posts, to get attention in a voluminous group one must play the same dirty game. They're literally dragging people into the dirt pit.

Hope they don't introduce animation in these gaudy backgrounds!!!

Why not just give some font controls instead and remove all this background nonsense?! (Though this could also be argued to be terrible)

One day everyone will look back at these stunts and see them for the ugliness and abomination they are, just like we look back at banner ads with derision and hate.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by zrobotics on Friday May 18, 2018 @05:27AM (#17099939)
Wasn't the main selling point of Facebook originally that you couldn't do flashing animated geocities crap? I remember that being the reason I signed up, most of my HS friends had no business doing web design. Once they opened it up beyond ivy-league, it didn't seem to have any particular status, having a Gmail account was arguably harder (I had to get lucky getting an invite off /.).
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by bartread on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:29AM (#17100849)
I remember, around 2007, when facebook had started to be made more generally available outside of colleges in the US, that it seemed like a cleaner, easier, less cluttered version of MySpace. Sadly that version of the site is long since dead.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by code_duck on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:34AM (#17101285)
MySpace was often an assault on the senses, and disorienting. Reddit can be like that these days, perhaps worse since the interface elements also love around and can disappear. In the early days of FB, users had even less ability to customize the visual presentation of their pages than they do now. It’s about like the simplicity of HN vs a 10 highly customized subs on reddit - on one hand, users like to express their personalities. On the other, inconsistency can make for a terrible user experience.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by code_duck on Friday May 18, 2018 @04:40PM (#17104785)
(Sorry about the typos)
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by flatfilefan on Friday May 18, 2018 @03:00AM (#17099260)
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Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by collyw on Friday May 18, 2018 @03:44AM (#17099415)
Its becoming MySpace....
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by bartread on Friday May 18, 2018 @08:31AM (#17100863)
I actually don't think that's necessarily fair on MySpace. With facebook it's so low effort to post or share some garish random crap to your timeline that everyone (or at least most people) are doing it all the time. With MySpace, like Geocities, at least you had to put in a bit more effort. The results weren't necessarily better but the volume of crap was simply lower due to most people being too lazy to post it.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by monocasa on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:31PM (#17098474)
> What's next, immersive VR full sensory presentation to convey "its weekend party yay lol :D :D:D:D:D" posts?

You joke, but they bought Oculus for a reason.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by letsgetphysITal on Friday May 18, 2018 @04:20AM (#17099578)
Ready Player One was a warning, not a manual!
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by wlesieutre on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:19PM (#17097872)
I think the idea was to let single line shitposts compete with all the other shitposts, but they went the wrong direction. Should've made the media shitposts sized down to the text posts.

I assume big media pieces are where the advertising money is.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by taurath on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:45PM (#17098284)
And video. You can tell every ad buy sells video at many times a text ad because google and Facebook are pushing them everywhere they can.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by paganel on Friday May 18, 2018 @04:00AM (#17099491)
> Now they're posting videos of static text.

The English Football Association has used a 2-minute Twitter video in order to announce the list of 23 players who made it to the World Cup (https://twitter.com/England/status/996737073418784770). I personally hate this trend.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by r3bl on Friday May 18, 2018 @07:36AM (#17100571)
While I do understand your hate, and while I personally hate the problem of using video instead of text, I gotta say that this specific example you've mentioned can be blamed to the limitations of the platform (Twitter).

Their alternatives were:

1. Interrupt people's flow by getting them off of Twitter. 2. Try fitting them all in one tweet (impossible). 3. Try fitting them in multiple tweets, which would make the users retweet a specific tweet that contains whichever player they're interested in, and their followers wouldn't see the entire roster.

I can see the appeal of transmitting the info in a 2 minute video since it gives users one tweet they should retweet, and transfers the important message in a relatively short amount of time (albeit much longer than skimming through a block of text).

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by MagnumOpus on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:21AM (#17101189)
It fits easily into a 280-char tweet, with plenty of space left over for a link or explanations - the below is 160 bytes give or take:

Pickford Butland Pope

TAA Trippier Rose Maguire Jones Stones Walker Cahill

Henderson Dier Alli Lingard Young Delph RLC

Sterling Vardy Kane Rashford Welbeck

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by wlesieutre on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:27AM (#17101234)
I don't see how option 1 (link to outside twitter) interrupts my flow more than a 2-minute video
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by taneq on Friday May 18, 2018 @10:04PM (#17106240)
> a 2-minute Twitter video

The moment you (meaning they) even combine these words you've missed the point of Twitter.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by tinalumfoil on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:03PM (#17098088)
> These days it's all semi-spam from pages and random week-old friend's FB activities being surfaced in a poorly targeted fashion

I think putting the spam on facebook on equal footing with its post targeting as to why people aren't using facebook is wrong. I have hundreds of friends and tens of pages on FB, which I'll admit by FB's standards isn't all that much, yet I still find it much harder to browse than other sites with many times the content. Most people simply don't post that often or not at all, and the pages I joined don't post often either.

Despite how little content there is I find the issue of managing it all completely intractable. When I'm on Feedly I go through hundreds of posts worth of content in a few minutes by mashing the j key until I find content I want to read later, save it and then spend maybe 2 hours a week going through content I care about. When I'm on Twitter I skim until I see familiar content and pick out the stuff I care about. When I'm on reddit, I know it takes about 48 hours for my feed to "refresh" so I'll spend some time every other day skimming from top to bottom.

I can't even begin to figure out a workflow for finding content on Facebook. The whole thing is laid out so quickly finding the things I care about is impossible. I can scroll past ten posts I've seen before something new pops up so I have no idea when to stop scrolling. There's no concept of a "read" post and unlike reddit the "hide" button, hidden behind a menu, acts like a downvote. I have no way of creating a single stream of just the things I care about, and if I did there's no way to update myself when things change. Unlike youtube, there's no RSS feeds so I can't just do my browsing from Feedly. Even just getting a feed of my events is impossible since FB has the audacity to suggest events from pages I've never interacted with, have no friends going and thinks those are more important to me than the events created by pages I actually follow. Push notifications are insanely coursely-grained (or at least they do a good job hiding the interface). Cambridge Analytica be damned, the reason I don't use FB is because I can't figure out how. My age, income level and computer-addicted brain should make me prime meat for advertisers, yet I change the oil more often than login to FB simply because the algorithms that generate my feeds are just that bad.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by derefr on Friday May 18, 2018 @12:14AM (#17098647)
“Tractable” is another way to say “I can finish what I came to the site to do, and then leave.” Of course they don’t want that! ;)
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by colanderman on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:55PM (#17098044)
Snapchat has mostly replaced Facebook for my friends that like just sharing fun updates. I think it's a combination of the ease of sharing spur-of-the-moment updates, and the difficulty of using it for anything but that (e.g. political rants). I still use Facebook, but almost expressly to follow specific groups, friends who post typically about specific topics, or to ask/answer questions within my friend group.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by telltruth on Friday May 18, 2018 @02:21AM (#17099122)
I have zero idea how people are using snapchat. Even as a programmer, I find their UX extremely hard to understand, enjoy and use. It's the shittiest app that is on my phone and I have opened it only twice in a year.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by nyolfen on Friday May 18, 2018 @03:07AM (#17099286)
you use it to signal that you’re paying attention to someone in a relatively passive/casual way via read receipts on one-to-many picture messages. it’s mostly useful for groups of friends, and (critically) interacting with someone you’re romantically or sexually interested in with plausible deniability.

the ui i won’t bother to defend though.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by SmellyGeekBoy on Friday May 18, 2018 @05:18AM (#17099898)
> It's like it's become digg.com curated by your non-techie acquaintances, with a bonus ORDER BY RANDOM() thrown in for good measure.

I don't think I've read a more accurate description of anything in a long time... Thanks for putting my feelings on Facebook into words!

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by pc86 on Friday May 18, 2018 @10:11AM (#17101600)
> These days it's all semi-spam from pages and random week-old friend's FB activities being surfaced in a poorly targeted fashion.

The last thing I care about is that my friend's aunt comment on a thread from October 2016, but for some reason Facebook thinks that needs the #2 slot on my feed.

Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by flatfilefan on Friday May 18, 2018 @02:56AM (#17099242)
My experience is exactly the same. Looks like fb has failed it big time on mobile. Is there a method to their madness? I’d really like to know. Twitter is not a replacement as it’s totally public but it’s much more fun right now exactly for the lack of that silly algorithmic selection of posts.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by killerdhmo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:05PM (#17097424)
So... like twitter then?
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by eToThePiIPower on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:23PM (#17097562)
Nah, my Twitter feed is curated by people I actually like but are complete strangers to me, with the odd speaker-I-met-once-at-a-meetup thrown in.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by daxfohl on Friday May 18, 2018 @01:49AM (#17099014)
As the saying goes, Twitter is where you connect with the people you wish you knew, and facebook is where you connect with the people you wish you didn't.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by mygo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:05PM (#17098099)
twitter also has an annoying algorithm that thinks it knows what you really want to see. chronological newsfeeds are dearly missed.
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by klez on Friday May 18, 2018 @06:04AM (#17100148)
I usually just reload the page a couple of times and tweets are put in chronological order again. Does this work only because I follow <100 people?
Re:Facebook Use Has Been Dropping Since the 2016 Election, A... by telltruth on Friday May 18, 2018 @02:23AM (#17099132)
Twitter is falling in to same prey... About 30% of the tweets I see are what other people retweeted and liked. Just show me their own tweets damn it!