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Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by product50 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:55PM (#17097345)
That is the OPs exact point. Did you read the article? He mentioned that "The days of someone making something, putting it on the internet and offering it to the world seem to be over". And here you are talking about knowing the laws while the OP sits in a different country trying to run his business.

You might be from Europe and to you it may just seem sensible but 1-5 person companies often have to make tradeoffs like this. It is not right to say just comply with the law - it is so easy! The company, here, has decided that the cost is too high and that they are out.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jacquesm on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:58PM (#17097364)
> And here you are talking about knowing the laws while the OP sits in a different country trying to run his business.

I also have to be compliant with US laws if I deal with US citizens. What's the difference?

> You might be from Europe and to you it may just seem sensible but 1-5 person companies often have to make tradeoffs like this.

Not the ones that want to stay in business.

> It is not right to say just comply with the law - it is so easy!

But it is easy, he's just making it seem as though it isn't. There is so much factually wrong in that blog post that if that's the level of thinking that goes into the decision making then there most likely are other issues.

> The company, here, has decided that the cost is too high and that they are out.

Probably good riddance. But for all the wrong reasons.

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Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jacquesm on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:52PM (#17097710)
Try not to post the same comment over and over again, especially when you are making a point that has already been addressed elsewhere in the thread.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by product50 on Friday May 18, 2018 @07:22PM (#17105718)
I know you are frustrated. But your tone and rebuttals sounded repetitive to me as well. Learn to be self critical too. You were overwhelmingly shot down in your comments yesterday and there is a reason for it.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by DanBC on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:26PM (#17097577)
But OP is wrong. OP is saying GDPR is making it impossible for him to offer the software, but GDPR has almost no effect on him.

OP can just rely on "legitimate interests", and describe the data they're processing and why.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by sunir on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:52PM (#17098561)
Legitimate interests is not defined. So good luck with that.

Also you are responsible for downstream guarantees of legitimate interest.

He is right that open P2P protocols like XMPP, such as NNTP, IRC, bitcoin, ethereum, etc are not handled clearly.

It is a headache for him I can sympathize.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jonathansorum on Friday May 18, 2018 @05:55AM (#17100106)
> Legitimate interests is not defined. So good luck with that.

Are you expecting GDPR (or any law for that matter) to define an exhaustive list of every definition, that holds true now as well as for the future? Have a rethink about that statement...

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by sunir on Friday May 18, 2018 @10:12AM (#17101607)
Yes. I do expect that. It is a reasonable expectation that the laws are clearly understandable by those subject to the laws.

Just as companies need to be specific about how they use data now the legal-judicial system needs to be specific about what it means and intends.

It is a double standard because the legislators are not interested in the commercial impact.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by unreal37 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:23PM (#17097894)
You say one thing, other people say other things.

It's easier just to say "this tool blocks Europeans" and problem avoided.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by ryanwaggoner on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:57PM (#17097732)
Says random person on the internet. Other random people disagree.