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Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by SlowRobotAhead on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:41AM (#17092278)
>Some Bitcoin users have become so wealthy that they are donating millions to charities

Are you serious? Like, that’s a serious argument? Cartel bosses donate money... same thing right?

>Transactions don't consume energy. This is the biggest misunderstanding floating around here.

The misunderstanding is that you think there is a difference between transaction number and miner power. We don’t care. It’s the same thing because what we’re looking at is total power used (massive) and dividing it by a transaction number which is effective output which is transactions.

Bitcoin is a resource waste, you’re defending it in part because “some people have donated to charity. Good luck with that.

Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by mrb on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:31PM (#17092837)
«effective output which is transactions»

No. The "output" of Bitcoin is bigger than that. You focus on a single aspect of the system (processing transaction) and disregard everything else. You fail to look at the big picture, at what the system indirectly creates outside of transactions (helping people escape inflation, and yes redistributing wealth that is donated to charities, etc.) The point is: none of these benefits would exist if Bitcoin/cryptos didn't exist.

Your argument is like saying that "cars are a waste" because one aspect of their operation (engines losing energy as heat) is waste.

Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by VMG on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:51AM (#17092397)
There can be an infinite number of off-chain transactions based on a single on-chain transaction.
Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by spookthesunset on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:54AM (#17092425)
> There can be an infinite number of off-chain transactions based on a single on-chain transaction.

What the fuck is the point of bitcoin if the majority of all transactions are off-chain?

Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by VMG on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:01PM (#17092493)
The transactions are denominated in fucking Bitcoin, each party has the option to go off-chain without counterparty risk.
Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by spookthesunset on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:16PM (#17092655)
> The transactions are denominated in fucking Bitcoin

LOL. No transitions get denominated in BTC. Cyrpto is way to volatile for that. Anybody sane prices their stuff in USD or some other currency.

Whether bitcoiners admit it or not, the fiat value of their internet tokens are the only thing they care about. What is their BTC worth and when can they go buy their lambo (using fiat, of course...)

Re:New study quantifies Bitcoin’s ludicrous energy consumption by VMG on Thursday May 17, 2018 @05:43PM (#17096221)
The lightning transactions are denominated in bitcoin.