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Re:The sad state of sysadmin in the age of containers (2015) by kazinator on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:21PM (#17084315)
Make is only bad under the Autotools mess. Every build-related struggle in an open-source project that uses Autotools can be traced to Autotools, not to make.

Autotools wasn't invented to overcome deficiencies in make, but deficiencies in C portability across Unix flavors.

Those deficiencies are greatly diminished today, both by POSIX standardization, and there being fewer viable surviving Unix variants that anyone cares to build for.

Re:The sad state of sysadmin in the age of containers (2015) by nickpsecurity on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:41PM (#17084534)
Don't tell them: show them. I've found they get quite a reaction to the mess underneath illustrated by the PHK article below.

https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257

Re:The sad state of sysadmin in the age of containers (2015) by colanderman on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:03PM (#17085413)
Exactly. Don't forget `pkg-config` [1], which I've found eliminates most cross-POSIXish-platform linking issues.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkg-config