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Re:Has wine gone bad? by DennisP on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:11PM (#17079495)
I'm just getting started with scotch. At first I tried Lagavulin, and the long iodine finish really put me off. Then I got a Highland Park Valkyrie and loved it. The other day I cautiously tried a bit of the Lagavulin again and liked it better; I'm not sure if whether it's from my tastebuds being different, three months of oxidation, or just not drinking much of it.

What would you recommend for smoky scotches that don't have much iodine? (Talisker is on my short list right now.)

Re:Has wine gone bad? by wheels on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @11:05PM (#17079727)
Laguvulin is honestly kind of middle of the pack for "iodine-ish" (like the original poster, I can relate to some skepticism with these labels) smokey whiskies. If that put you off, and you like Highland Park, I'd say that you'd probably be better off focusing on lighter, subtler whiskies.

The cheaper versions of that would be, for example, a Redbreast 12 (Irish) or a Glenmorangie 10. The only Highland Park that I have sitting around is an 18 year old, and I just compared them to that (again, the nice thing about whiskies is that you can put a few drops in a glass for comparison), and while they both have a little less to them than the 18 year old, they're also less than half the price. If you're feeling like branching over to the fruitier side, something like a Glendrodach 15 would be worth trying. It's not soo far off from the others, but tastes a bit sweeter and is a bit more complex.

If you're committed to smokey, non-iodine-y whiskies, Talisker is good, as noted. Maybe a Bowmore 12 (a little sweeter), or, if you find it, Ardmore or a Ben Riach. But again, it sounds more like your tastes go away from the smokey stuff to subtler whiskies.

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A thing I'll note for the uninitiated here is that another nice feature of whisky is that there are literally only dozens of distilleries. There are something like 80 in Scotland. For a whisky nerd it's entirely possible to have a good 1/2 to 1/3 of them on a reasonably sized shelf. And since bottles take several years to go off, you really can have a huge percentage of the total range represented in a moderate whisky nerd's collection.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by DennisP on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:30AM (#17081535)
I expected the iodine to be a subtle taste note. Then I woke up in the middle of the night with an intense iodine aftertaste that made me feel like I was in the hospital.

However, I love wood smoke, so I'm intrigued enough to keep at it. I'm trying out some non-smokey whiskies too; I had a glass of Macallan 12 that I enjoyed quite a bit.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by collyw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:27AM (#17080830)
I read if you have less than half of a bottle then you should drink it within 6 months.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by wheels on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:16AM (#17083057)
You can also put marbles into them to restore the volume, but I don't bother. I've only once had a bottle that went far off (meaning too much of the alcohol evaporated out), and I'd kept it with only 2-ish shots in it for probably a year and a half. So normally after I get down to about the last quarter bottle, I try to finish them within a couple months, and that's done me well.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by dbrgn on Thursday May 17, 2018 @03:22PM (#17094613)
For me, Laphroaig Quarter Cask was also the first Whisky I bought. I kept it around for a long time (maybe 2 years) because I did not want to "waste" it too quickly.

The last few glasses I drank were really disappointing compared to the initial fanstastic glasses. I can't describe the tastes, but it was simply not good anymore. When too much air gets into the bottle, the Whisky can oxidize, changing its taste (usually for the worse).

Re:Has wine gone bad? by DennisP on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:49PM (#17093610)
From what I've seen, most people using preservation techniques aren't worried so much about alcohol loss as various other molecules getting oxidized, changing the flavor profiles they spent a lot of money for. (I don't have enough experience to say how valid that is, but it's certainly a problem for wine.)
Re:Has wine gone bad? by collyw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:02PM (#17084088)
I am making a point of drinking mine within 6 months.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by DennisP on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:11AM (#17081461)
True, but you can preserve it with inert gas, like people do with wine.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by croon on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:00AM (#17080941)
> I'm just getting started with scotch. At first I tried Lagavulin, and the long iodine finish really put me off. Then I got a Highland Park Valkyrie and loved it. The other day I cautiously tried a bit of the Lagavulin again and liked it better; I'm not sure if whether it's from my tastebuds being different, three months of oxidation, or just not drinking much of it.

I haven't attempted whisky much yet, but I believe that you trained your taste to appreciate the domain and recognize the subtleties within that domain enough to appreciate something you didn't immediately.

I say this as someone who's gotten into music genres I hated 10 years ago, forced myself to try cilantro, olives, more pickled food, and regional cuisines to a point where I appreciate all of it, and can tell well from poorly executed within those areas. I'm not sure we can force ourselves to like everything, but I'm living proof that we (sample size of one) can force ourselves to recognize quality in every domain.

I would be keen on whisky if it wasn't for the fact that I rarely drink to begin with, and the price is non-negligible.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by DennisP on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:36AM (#17081565)
I definitely think that's part of it, at least.

I started trying out whisky when I realized that for the amount I drink, the price even of fairly expensive whiskies didn't add up to all that much each month.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by croon on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @08:02AM (#17081685)
> I started trying out whisky when I realized that for the amount I drink, the price even of fairly expensive whiskies didn't add up to all that much each month.

So you're in the same situation as me, yet arrived at the opposite conclusion, and I think you're probably right. :)

I'll reconsider my stance and will pick up a couple of bottles and dip my toe.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by stock_toaster on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:17PM (#17079516)
Caol Ila 12yo is very smokey, with no iodine at all really.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by jen729w on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:56AM (#17080483)
I’d recommend you just keep drinking Lagavulin until you enjoy it. ;-)

But seriously. My Irish mate started me on it and I really didn’t enjoy it at the start. But he kept buying it for me. And I kept drinking it. And now I love it more than words.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by DennisP on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:33AM (#17081548)
My plan is to keep it around and slowly creep up on it.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by PeterStuer on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:18AM (#17081485)
Lagavulin is very overrated. I personally find its palate unrefined, rather reminiscent of what I imagine paint thinner would taste like.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @09:08AM (#17082049)
Depends on which one it is. 8yo is definitely rough, it's too young. 16yo is good, and even better if you can find an older bottling.