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Re:Completely Silent Computer by erikpukinskis on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:15PM (#17079257)
I can’t check my email on my Kindle or my car.

Maybe cut to the chase: what specific capability is an iPhone lacking that every “real computer” has?

Re:Completely Silent Computer by Nullabillity on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:07AM (#17080752)
Do you run the SDK on the device itself, or do you have to develop somewhere else and then transfer the build output to the device?
Re:Completely Silent Computer by icebraining on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:41AM (#17081593)
On Android, you can definitively develop and compile on the device itself. See for example: http://www.android-ide.com/
Re:Completely Silent Computer by nkkollaw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @10:16AM (#17082542)
What a nightmare, though.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by icebraining on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:27PM (#17084383)
Have you tried programming on the original Eee laptops? I'd take a 10" tablet with a bluetooth keyboard over that 7" screen and tiny keys any day.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by nkkollaw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:07PM (#17085456)
I've tried touch based UIs to do actual work, and I just can't handle it.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by icebraining on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:54PM (#17085881)
Android can be quite well driven by the keyboard. Even alt-tabbing between applications works.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by nkkollaw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:00PM (#17086445)
Personally, even a touchpad compared to a mouse will slow me down significantly.

It's possible that I could be somewhat productive on a tablet in an emergency, but not as my main machine like Apple suggest people should do.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by nkkollaw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @10:20AM (#17082590)
Why can you not check your email on your Kindle? There's a browser, you can absolutely check your email.
Re:Completely Silent Computer by nkkollaw on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:02PM (#17079446)
If a keyboard (and a decent-sized screen) can be added, definitely a mouse and a mouse-centric interface.

I have tried using an iPad Pro for productivity, and it's living hell.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by seandougall on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:42PM (#17079630)
> definitely a mouse and a mouse-centric interface.

Wouldn’t that mean most servers aren’t computers? Not to mention the DOS machines I grew up with, or everything made before the Xerox Alto?

> I have tried using an iPad Pro for productivity, and it's living hell.

Not going to disagree with you there. But that doesn’t make it not-a-computer.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by nkkollaw on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:33AM (#17081061)
Those are servers.

If we want to classify devices, we need to group them somehow. Otherwise we call them devices and call it a day.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by zingmars on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @08:15AM (#17081743)
His old DOS machines certainly weren't servers. Not having a GUI does not make a machine a server and having a GUI does not make a computer not-a-server (especially since we have graphics chips inside CPUs now).
Re:Completely Silent Computer by icebraining on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @07:46AM (#17081615)
Servers are still computers.

We already classify them: smartphones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers are all groups of computers.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by annabellish on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:55AM (#17080712)
I don't know about iDevices, but this is very much supported on a lot of Android phones. Samsung's lineup even has it as a bullet point feature, and they sell docks which let you connect your phone to a screen, peripherals, and switch to a mouse-oriented UI without having to do _anything_ weird.

At that point, you're running a mouse-centric, multi-window OS with a wide array of software, that can run basically whatever you want.

So that's a computer, definitely, right? When does it stop being a computer? If you disconnect the display? Is it using a stylus instead of a mouse? Maybe the software keyboard instead of a hardware keyboard? (But then is the MS Surface not a computer when you detach the keyboard case?)

Re:Completely Silent Computer by mc808 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @11:16PM (#17079771)
Even though you're technically wrong (the best kind of wrong), I can see where you're coming from. Even microcontroller ICs without enough memory to store this comment are real computers and are silent, but if you say you've built a silent computer and then unveil some Arduino contraption, expect eyes to roll.

That said, I still think smartphones qualify as computers even by your productivity definition. Newer smartphones would sit somewhere above older netbooks on a ranking of overall utility.

Re:Completely Silent Computer by Volt on Thursday May 17, 2018 @02:39PM (#17094146)
>I can’t check my email on my Kindle

I can on mine…