Re:The Gun-Law Loophole That Entices Tycoons and Criminals t...
by generaltsos on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:20PM
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This sounds more like a problem with accountability for police departments than a fundamental flaw in LEOSA. Bloomberg is fundamentally opposed to any sort of pro-2A stance, however, so they would much rather blame the supposedly-lenient gun laws.
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by jbob2000 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:28PM
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Considering it's nigh impossible to get police departments to be accountable (who watches the watchmen?), I'm siding with Bloomberg that if we want to solve this problem, we'll have to change the laws first (and hopefully accountability will follow).
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by trill_bill on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @02:10PM
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Or make it easier to conceal carry a weapon through all 50 states. It's completely natural to arm oneself for self defense. Criminalizing this is criminalizing our human nature to be prepared and ready.
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by Kephael on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:42PM
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Reserve police officers often undergo the same training and perform the same functions as full time law enforcement officers in many areas. There isn't any need for HR218 changes and police standards are set on a state by state basis.
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by maxerickson on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:49PM
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We disagree that it is okay for wealthy people to buy badges.
I'm pretty okay with letting reserve officers that don't do a lot of duty fall through the cracks, that's a better tradeoff than selling Stephen Seagull a badge.
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by Kephael on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:51PM
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> We disagree that it is okay for wealthy people to buy badges.
I don't think you should be able to simply purchase badges. I think reserve officers should go through the same hiring process as full time officers and attend a police academy.
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by rascul on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @03:44PM
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Seems to me like it should be up to the state and the people in it to change their rules, if they desire to do so. It looks like the problem is the federal legislation which seems to override state decisions on who is allowed to carry concealed firearms and when.
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by maxerickson on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @02:32PM
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I think it may have been the case that a TV producer thought it would be fun to get him a badge more than he was any sort of serious volunteer for the particular police force.
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by wl on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:54PM
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There is no 50 state concealed carry license. In many states, applicants for licenses must be residents of that state. This makes armed security that can follow protectees across any state border impossible without such legal hacks.
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by gmiller123456 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @03:48PM
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> you can get them licensed in the states you plan to visit
You should reread the OP, many states do not allow non-residents to get permits. So someone who needed body guards would need a different set of body guards for every state they visit that doesn't honor their permit.
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by alphabettsy on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:41PM
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A man was killed in Tulsa by a wealthy “volunteer” deputy. This is all part of a larger problem of police accountability and training more than gun laws.
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by repomeat on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @02:14PM
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Granting authorities from county to county use different and arbitrary criteria for licensing to concealed carry. Many counties including the one I live in don't authorize permits for law abiding citizens, no matter how well trained, for self defense. I'm a serious competitive shooter (USPSA 3gun), I shoot trap and 5-stand, and I am an avid hunter. I have attended over 100 hours of defensive pistol training, and yet, I cannot qualify for a concealed carry license in my county of residence because the Sheriff will only give them to cronies and political backers. This is what creates the badge factories, which I personally do not support. I'd rather your county of residence have stringent criteria, extensive mandatory training, and frequent re-qualification, where only highly proficient, and highly trained citizens are permitted to carry.
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by thrill on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @01:50PM
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The Constitution doesn't address whether the right to bear arms is either open or concealed carry. The Constitution does not grant this right - it, among others, is considered a natural right, applicable to the free people. It only lists this right, among others, to emphasize that government is not supposed to infringe upon it. We all see how poorly that enumerated philosophy is followed, understood, accepted, or defended.
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by mwilliaams on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @02:03PM
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The Constitution mandates that people have the right to bear arms; it doesn't specify about concealed carry or open carry. Yet I, as a Californian, can do neither. Open carry is illegal in California, and only a small few can get a concealed carry permit (varies by county). It is very clear that Californians' constitutional rights are being "infringed".
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by Frondo on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:31AM
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You misunderstood, maybe intentionally as a gag. I'm more worried about the constitutional rights being denied ex-cons than I am about people who want to carry guns.
The people who want to carry guns are doing fine, it's the ones whose voting rights have been stripped of them that have been shut out of civic life, and that's definitely more cause for concern than the babies who whine about not having enough guns hidden among their clothes.
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by CompanionCuuube on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @08:20PM
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That's funny, because the people who clamor on and on, whinging about the people who want to carry guns are even more inclined to keep them from the ex-convicts.
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by Frondo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:32AM
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Not me, and not people I know. You do a crime, pay your debts, welcome back to society, rights and all. I also think that the second amendment can be regulated with laws just like all the rest.
No one ever screams that driver's licenses infringe on our freedom of assembly...
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by CompanionCuuube on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:01PM
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If carry licenses worked like driver's licenses, the premise of this article wouldn't even exist. The reason they use this workaround and the reason it hasn't been closed off is that the tycoons could not have their armed security without it.
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by LyndsySimon on Friday May 18, 2018 @01:10PM
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Interesting that - a license is not required to purchase a car, nor is a car required to be registered unless operated on public streets. Even then, there are exceptions.
Insurance is not required in many states. In Virginia, for instance, one may put up a bond in lieu of maintaining insurance. There are no states to my knowledge where insurance is required to merely own a car.
Oh, and the penalty for failing to do any of the above is like $35.
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by LyndsySimon on Monday May 21, 2018 @01:13PM
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My point is that what you suggested above is significantly less onerous than the requirements already in place.
As for insurance - most people who carry firearms regularly actually do have insurance to cover potential legal defense costs. Liability insurance doesn’t make much sense because the potential issues there are criminal, not civil.
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by mnm1 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @02:03PM
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The problem that they are carrying concealed weapons is minor compared to the problem of giving out cop badges for money. Just when I thought I couldn't respect cops less, they do this. It's not a few bad apples, it's a barrel full of only rotten apples.
Or just get rid of it entirely.
http://www.lapdonline.org/join_the_team/content_basic_view/5...
I'm pretty okay with letting reserve officers that don't do a lot of duty fall through the cracks, that's a better tradeoff than selling Stephen Seagull a badge.
I don't think you should be able to simply purchase badges. I think reserve officers should go through the same hiring process as full time officers and attend a police academy.
Seems like it might be a long wait.
Seagal actually went on patrol didn’t he? There was a TV show about it.
If you're rich enough to travel with people with hidden guns, you can get them licensed in the states you plan to visit.
You should reread the OP, many states do not allow non-residents to get permits. So someone who needed body guards would need a different set of body guards for every state they visit that doesn't honor their permit.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/
I don't think open vs. concealed matters in this context. It's probably even easier to "play a cop" with open carry.
There is no constitutional right for the concealed carry of a gun, based on your view of what the second amendment means.
I can’t think of another where the stakes are so high for even relatively minor unintentional violations.
I'm a lot more worried about them than people who want to carry guns hidden somewhere in their clothes.
Same here, those people tend to be peaceful, law abiding citizens compared to ex-convicts.
The people who want to carry guns are doing fine, it's the ones whose voting rights have been stripped of them that have been shut out of civic life, and that's definitely more cause for concern than the babies who whine about not having enough guns hidden among their clothes.
No one ever screams that driver's licenses infringe on our freedom of assembly...
Insurance is not required in many states. In Virginia, for instance, one may put up a bond in lieu of maintaining insurance. There are no states to my knowledge where insurance is required to merely own a car.
Oh, and the penalty for failing to do any of the above is like $35.
I just want people who love their guns to start paying back the rest of us for the externalities of living in a society drowning in those guns.
As for insurance - most people who carry firearms regularly actually do have insurance to cover potential legal defense costs. Liability insurance doesn’t make much sense because the potential issues there are criminal, not civil.
What does this even mean?