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Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by andrepd on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @08:24AM (#17073401)
There is little rote memorisation required in physics because we have formulated it based on logical ideas, intuition, and fundamental principles. You can understand, not memorise.

Biology is immeasurably harder than physics, the systems so much more complex and opaque and non amenable to fundamental explanation. Rote memorisation is a must.

Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by whatshisface on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @08:49AM (#17073522)
>Biology is immeasurably harder than physics

Statements of this form are essentially always false: basically everything has the same difficulty because the standards for what constitutes progress in a field are set according to what the people working in it can do on average.

It's easy to write down what you thought of Infinite Jest, but in order to achieve any special success as a critic you're going to have to beat out everybody else that's doing the same thing. That makes it very hard. Likewise in an alternate universe where physics was easy, the standards for how much you had to say in a paper would rise until the average paper was about as substantial as it is now.

Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by sooheon on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:38AM (#17073795)
Physical sciences have the benefit of being pitted against reality. A physicist a generation ahead of his time can make predictions about reality which will prove him correct, even if nobody else can understand what he's saying. A literary critic who truly understands more than everyone would have no recognition to show for it if everyone else were simply incapable of understanding it.
Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by whatshisface on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:44AM (#17073843)
>A literary critic who truly understands more than everyone would have no recognition to show for it if everyone else were simply incapable of understanding it.

A successful critic isn't a critic, they're an author that writes for whoever is making them successful. So the critic at the top of academia would be the best at writing criticims that people understood: no garuntee of understanding the most, but that's still a skill that, say, Feynman would find it hard to replicate. The heirarchal nature of almost everything garuntees that there will always be "the best," and that they will be hard to beat, regardless of how much it means in the grand scheme of things. Finally, the scarcity of grant money means that participating in any field means beating the best: a regulatory effect that's at the center of the discussion.

Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by nonbel on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:07AM (#17073612)
>"the standards for what constitutes progress in a field are set according to what the people working in it can do on average."

For example, in physics they require p < 3e-7 for a discovery. While in biology it is p < 0.05 and sometimes even p < .1 is allowed.

Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by vibrio on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:19AM (#17073667)
But very different things are being measured--comparing them this way is very flawed.
Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by nonbel on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:32AM (#17073763)
Not sure what you mean but my post was a sarcastic comment about how people choose an arbitrary level of significance so that the "right number" of "discoveries" can be published each year.

If there is a lot of data they would have too many "discoveries" (it would seem too easy) so they need a more stringent threshold. If the data is very expensive they would have too few "discoveries" so the threshold gets relaxed.

Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by vibrio on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @03:03PM (#17076712)
Pardon, I have a weak ability to detect sarcasm before finishing my first coffee. I fully agree that p-value limits are arbitrary, and what one is examining can greatly impact the interpretation of 'significance' or not. As you imply, data can be inflationary , incrementally increasing in volume and decreasing in value.
Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by stochastic_monk on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @08:49AM (#17073520)
This is true at the surface level. However, biological systems are organized by principles. Source: degrees in both fields.

Memorizing large numbers of facts give way to understanding and intuition in my experience. It’s quite similar to how a chess player’s experience regarding strategy starts out by exhaustively enumerating potential futures and eventually turns into an intuitive understanding of future plays and how training a neural network leads to a high dimensional manifold representation of a concept.

Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by sooheon on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:39AM (#17073809)
Isn't it at least literally true that biology encompasses all of physics, plus some added complexity/emergence on top of that?
Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by skuzye on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:50AM (#17073889)
Biology is a huge field so I don't mean to speak for all of them. My wife is doing a PhD in Immunology so I know that at least for her, she's thinking in a whole different abstraction level. She's not that concerned about the physics in her day to day experiments.
Re:When physics meets biology: a less known Feynman by stochastic_monk on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:36AM (#17074204)
Good point. It really depends on what area in biology you're in. For immunology, pathology, and, honestly, most subfields, you're closer to phenomenology than emergence.

I will say that I'm skeptical of a lot of the work done in biology in relation to networks and complexity. It's often either done by those without sufficient mathematical background (and, typically, wholly statistically invalid) or a bunch of hand-wavy, feel-good nonsense for a sexy tagline by those who should know better.

Better work is done by researchers in complexity who analyze biological systems.