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Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by mseebach on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @03:32AM (#17072260)
I think a major factor is the fact that the internet is now mainstream. In the early days, you had something in common with everybody, simply by being on the internet. The place was silly with people absolutely floored by the idea that they were casually chatting with someone halfway across the continent, something only possible on very expensive phone calls until then. Everybody was also, by necessity, an early technology adopter.

It's much easier to strike up a conversation with a stranger when you have something meaningful in common, and the early internet was that. Today, it's the equivalent of walking down the street, it's just infrastructure. Infrastructure is great, but it doesn't help you make friends.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by pmlnr on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:51AM (#17072808)
Internet data connection might be mainstream, but Internet, as in websites, blogs, genuine, independent content, is really not.

There are places where the internet is Facebook. I remember times when the internet was a blue E on the desktop, but at least that really did take people to the internet, and not a walled garden.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by dpark on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:59AM (#17074397)
The idea that the Internet is just Facebook for most people is absurd. Yes, there exist people who essentially only use Facebook, but this is not the norm.

Google is worth 755 billion dollars, and they didn’t get there just by being the easiest way to find Facebook. Pinterest has amassed a 12 billion dollar valuation just for managing to insert themselves between Google search results and a the billion blogs you think most people don’t even know about.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by jolmg on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @12:29PM (#17075181)
> The idea that the Internet is just Facebook for most people is absurd.

I don't think he meant that, but rather the opposite. That while more people use the internet than ever before, they're subdivided in how they use it. To some people (not most; pmlnr's wording is "there are places") the internet is just Facebook, and that creates the effect of a smaller community of "internet users" where there is more in common between a pair of individuals than 2 strangers with vastly different uses of the real vast internet.

Note that the point of his post was to counter (though it doesn't entirely refute) the point of mseebach, which was that people had much less in common between strangers in the internet now that it's become mainstream.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by dpark on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @12:45PM (#17075309)
It's very much what he said. "Internet data connection might be mainstream, but Internet, as in websites, blogs, genuine, independent content, is really not."

He specifically says that using the internet for blogs and websites (i.e. things other than Facebook) is not "mainstream". Maybe the Facebook comment was not intended to say that's what the "mainstream" use case is, but that's how it reads, and I'm frankly not sure what mainstream usage would be if it's not "websites".

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by pmlnr on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:09PM (#17077428)
There are countries and providers where free phone data is facebook and maybe a few other providers - see internet.org . For them, facebook, witn instant articles, is the internet, having no actual data connection.

Like it or not, the general public uses fb/google or wechat, maybe, but only maybe, read a few news site, do banking, even less buy things on amazon, which, out of US, UK and DE rather nonexistent, and that's it.

Think outside of the US, please.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by dpark on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:22PM (#17077980)
4 billion people have internet connectivity. 2 billion use Facebook.

Literally half the people with internet connectivity do not use Facebook at all, much less exclusively.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by jolmg on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:41PM (#17077681)
While what you say is true, I can't see what this has to do with the US. For all we know, dpark might not even be in the US.
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by jolmg on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:35PM (#17077649)
I can see how you can interpret that sentence in isolation as talking about websites in general. In fact, I'm not sure why I didn't interpret it that way first, too, but I interpreted it as talking about particular websites. In other words, it's not about HTTP vs FTP or IRC, but e.g. Facebook vs Twitter or StackOverflow or allrecipes.com.

I probably read it like that because of his following paragraph, which talks about how particular websites have this "walled garden" feel and how some people don't move much away from them to the point that they consider these particular websites to be the whole internet. Since the topic of this subthread is about how people of the internet have less in common now that it's become mainstream, that interpretation seemed to contribute better by raising the point that, to many people whose interpretation of the internet is a "walled garden" like Facebook, their "internet" has not become mainstream, or at least not on the level of the "internet data connection" or the real internet.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by whoaminow on Saturday May 19, 2018 @04:43AM (#17107151)
Actually it's not that absurd, Facebook has deals with mobile carriers which gives the users cheaper or even free access to Facebook compare to other "normal websites and apps".
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by maltalex on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:29AM (#17072723)
There’s still some of that in IRC. IRC clients serve as a barrier that filters out a surprising number of people.
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by mseebach on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:56AM (#17072827)
Just like in the real world: You don't go out on the street to meet people, you use the street to get to the place where the people you're likely to enjoy meeting are likely to be. IRC might be one such place, but there are many others - HN is one, even if not directly social in nature.
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by always_good on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:29AM (#17073168)
There's still some for sure, but I can't help but notice how empty IRC communities are these days.

Bigger ones like #node.js/#javascript on freenode are about 10 people strong if you actually count the regulars.

Frankly I think something like Slack is a better middleground for most communities. People are filtered out because they have to be bothered to install Slack and join the community. Yet it has community-building features that IRC doesn't have, like the likelihood that someone will get messages when they are offline/away and that they will actually come back.

Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by thatfunkymunki on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:01PM (#17077346)
EFNet is still running strong! Plenty of good chats and communities around if you look for them. Freenode operator abuse is antithetical to community chats.
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by maltalex on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:09PM (#17077882)
Any channels in particular? I've seen mostly freenode mentioned everywhere.
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by thatfunkymunki on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @05:34PM (#17078056)
There's a bunch of niche channels I like such as #mircart and #efnetnews for just having a laugh. #2600 seems to be one of the main "lobby" channels. Other channels like #electronics and #chemistry for more technical talk. There are a bunch of troll factories like #stress and #depression which some people enjoy I guess.
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by GeezCobarr on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @12:29PM (#17075182)
Great metaphor, the infrastructure. Like a street you go somewhere, if there is somewhere to go. And like a pipe something come down the shoot, but do you want it in the first place?
Re:I Don’t Know How to Waste Time on the Internet Anymore by mseebach on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @03:11PM (#17076810)
Thanks, but it's not really a metaphor. The internet is literally infrastructure. Sometimes, when new and exciting infrastructure opens, such as the first metro line in a city, it's a destination in it's own regard for a brief while, and a good place to meet fellow railroad nerds, but then it just becomes infrastructure, and it's not a particular good place to meet anyone.