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Re:What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates by sanderjd on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:22PM (#17070298)
I'm surprised I didn't find this higher up the thread: I'm soooooo sick of people hiring based on languages. It's right there in the first response in this article: "make sure you’ve included the same language as the job description if at all possible". This is so ridiculous. Either you're hiring a junior person and you're going to have to invest in ramping them up anyway, or you're hiring a senior person who will quickly figure out whatever language you use.

The exception to this is if you're hiring the lead for a project, who will be setting the idioms and mentoring the rest of the team. But even then, why are you dictating technology to that person rather than letting them choose?

It is worth asking people whether they are interested / willing to learn the tools you're building on, but it doesn't make sense as a filter.

Re:What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates by dragonwriter on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:25PM (#17070314)
> The exception to this is if you're hiring the lead for a project, who will be setting the idioms and mentoring the rest of the team. But even then, why are you dictating technology to that person rather than letting them choose?

Just because you are hiring a lead doesn't mean it's a greenfield project with nothing established; even if the lead has freedom to migrate over time, that doesn't mean that it isn't important for them to be able to guide and mentor on the existing stack very quickly.

I generally agree the I industry overemphasized experience in using particular tools rather than skill in engineering systems, but it is not the case that specific tool (including language) skill is completely irrelevant.

Re:What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates by sanderjd on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:54PM (#17070747)
I see that what I said wasn't clear at all: I meant the specific kind of lead who will be setting everything up, ie. on a greenfield project. I think a lead on an established project falls into the camp of experienced people who can figure things out.

Another exception: contractors. In this case, you do want someone who is immediately productive in the language you're using because you do not reap any of the benefits of them ramping up like you do with permanent employees. For contractors, familiarity with the language and ecosystem is the more important part of their job; for employees, familiarity with the business is more important and the language stuff can be picked up.

Re:What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates by dmlim on Monday May 14, 2018 @09:09PM (#17070806)
Completely agree with the point about not hiring based on specific language experience, but I took the phrase "make sure you’ve included the same language as the job description if at all possible" to mean "use similar terms and phrasing as those used in the job description." I think in that context, the advice can be helpful.
Re:What technical recruiters want from engineering candidates by sanderjd on Monday May 14, 2018 @11:00PM (#17071314)
Interesting. Now I truly have no idea what the actual meaning of that sentence is. I still read it as talking about programming language, but your interpretation seems at least plausible.