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Re:Manhattan Project: Australian physicist alerted Britain t... by Luc on Monday May 14, 2018 @02:32PM (#17068137)
Richard Rhodes writes about these subject in 'The Making of Hydrogen Bomb' and 'Arsenals of Folly', but I wouldn't summarize it the way you did...
Re:Manhattan Project: Australian physicist alerted Britain t... by InTheArena on Monday May 14, 2018 @04:24PM (#17069141)
Richard Rhodes had a particular axe to grind. I would suggest looking at Atcheson and primary sources before Rhodes. You are also mixing titles - Making of the Atomic Bomb, Dark Sun and Arsenals of Folly.

Making of the Atomic Bomb is amazing... but also bone chilling when you realize that scientists were basically advocating a dictatorship of technocrats.

Re:Manhattan Project: Australian physicist alerted Britain t... by zeth___ on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:53PM (#17070460)
Given post war history, can you say it would have been much worse than what we've had?

The last 60 years have been a study in how to keep the forms of democracy while making a dictatorship of the billionaires.

Re:Manhattan Project: Australian physicist alerted Britain t... by dragonwriter on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:59PM (#17070492)
> The last 60 years have been a study in how to keep the forms of democracy while making a dictatorship of the billionaires.

The political system was even more run by the elites 60 years ago. For one example, we raise issues now that party insiders or elite-written election rules may somewhat distort the results of the primaries (and caucuses that are open to most party-registered voters, though they are more time consuming and for that reason exclusionary than primaries), 60 years ago we had the same partisan duopoly, without even a fig-leaf of meaningful primary elections, where caucused were much more limited in participation.

Re:Manhattan Project: Australian physicist alerted Britain t... by zeth___ on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:40PM (#17070694)
Yet today we have a system that benefits the rich far more than the one in 1958. This is what I mean by the forms of democracy. We have even quantified it [0].

That we got the vote for blacks in the south isn't much of a win, from then on the poor blacks along with the poor whites have been disenfranchised through other means.

That we don't elect representative in smoke filled rooms doesn't mean much when the control has moved to selecting who gets to vote in the primaries [1].

[0] www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary...

Re:Manhattan Project: Australian physicist alerted Britain t... by jngreenlee on Monday May 14, 2018 @10:09PM (#17071096)
This is an incinderary comment: "benefits the rich far more than the one in 1958."

First, that would require a tremendous amount of data and an inherently biased framework of benefits valuation to support.

Second, you can't demonstrate the opposite, namely, that without the first happening, all others would have been better off. Sometimes wealth and structural freedoms benefit all participants, not to the detriment of the lower end, even when opportunity costs are included.

Not saying you are wrong, but your argument is.