Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by sp332 on Friday May 11, 2018 @05:11PM
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Man, it's good to see some actual information theory applied to deep learning for a change.
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Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by mathinpens on Friday May 11, 2018 @05:25PM
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I'm sorry but this comment is just at odds with the current literature in deep learning.
A few very prominent researchers have been trying to use information theoretic concepts to explain generalization for a while now-see
the somewhat controversial branch Naftali Tishby developed...However many other papers apply 'actual information theory'....
https://arxiv.org/search/?query=deep+learning+information+th...
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by derefr on Friday May 11, 2018 @06:01PM
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I think the GP poster meant to contrast this paper not with other papers, but with the junk explanations for "how deep learning works" that science journalism comes up with.
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by mathinpens on Friday May 11, 2018 @06:33PM
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trust me some of the junk explanations for how deep learning works originate from researchers. we really just don't have a convincing picture about why these networks work or don't work in a theoretical way rather than empirical/heuristic handwaves
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by crb002 on Friday May 11, 2018 @07:20PM
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Bollocks see my comment. We know worst case bounds for Kolmogorov random transformations of a finite set, the most complex learning task there is.
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by mathinpens on Friday May 11, 2018 @07:33PM
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huh? not even wrong......
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by sp332 on Friday May 11, 2018 @06:11PM
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Good. I hope to see more of them posted to HN.
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by mathinpens on Friday May 11, 2018 @06:27PM
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if you are interested in this type of analysis are you familiar with the tishby papers? you will at the very least find them enjoyable/mind opening...
but some of his key claims are probably contradicted by empirical results.
the original paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.02406
a refutation:(with very harsh/unprofessional words by tishby in counter-refutation)
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by wangii on Saturday May 12, 2018 @06:06AM
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I found his talk on youtube, remarkable:
Re:Why does deep and cheap learning work so well?
by mathinpens on Saturday May 12, 2018 @11:49AM
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He's a good speaker/teacher but I think there are serious problems with his work- mainly that a lot of his results collapse when tested on more general architectures.