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Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by adambowles on Thursday May 10, 2018 @12:20PM (#17040279)
If I recall correctly, the adverts omit a certain frequency range from the assistant's invocation phrase which human's won't notice is missing

Edit: Yep, omit / reduce tones in the 3000 - 6000 Hz range https://www.reddit.com/r/amazonecho/comments/5oer2u/i_may_ha...

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by SlowRobotAhead on Thursday May 10, 2018 @02:57PM (#17041914)
Which makes WAY more sense than a range outside of human hearing that OP implicated ("inaudible").

Expecting TV's to play tones outside the range people can hear is ridiculous.

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by jimrandomh on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:17PM (#17042570)
TV channels already contain inaudible-sound identifiers. Nielsen has people put listeners in their homes, and uses the identifiers to track which channels are getting played.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by jdietrich on Thursday May 10, 2018 @05:33PM (#17043153)
You can't count on a TV being able to reproduce sounds below about 100Hz or above about 16kHz. The position of the speakers on the back of the TV means you're likely to get a lot of weird phase effects and many TVs have quite heavy audio DSP to compensate for the inadequacy of their speakers. Any hidden signals will need to be in-band and low bit rate with a high level of redundancy.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by tinus_hn on Friday May 11, 2018 @06:38AM (#17046177)
You can even less expect all the compression in the system that’s designed to leave out everything people can’t hear, to leave in this signal people can’t hear.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by derefr on Friday May 11, 2018 @01:32AM (#17045162)
So, basically, steganography.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by buro9 on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:25PM (#17042641)
Er... holy shit to the thought that (Alexa|Assistant|Siri) + Neilsen (or just by Google) could monitor advert viewing in millions of homes.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by taneq on Thursday May 10, 2018 @09:09PM (#17044273)
I thought a few apps had been discovered over the years that fingerprinted TV ads played near the phone and reported them?

https://www.howtogeek.com/338409/hundreds-of-smartphone-apps...

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by jsjohnst on Friday May 11, 2018 @09:20AM (#17047086)
To scare you further, multiple brands and models of “SmartTVs” have the ability to fingerprint what is displayed on the screen and report back to a cloud service. Said services are also, not surprisingly, poorly secured.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by jedberg on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:50PM (#17042834)
> and uses the identifiers to track which channels are getting played.

I don't think they're using infrasound for that. I think they use a technology similar to Shazam where it just analyzes the sound to determine what's on.

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by amitparikh on Thursday May 10, 2018 @06:47PM (#17043578)
They are, it's one of the reasons they [Nielsen] bought Arbitron back in 2013. The PPM devices use low-frequency tones encoded into the audio stream at the time of broadcast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by leggomylibro on Thursday May 10, 2018 @07:21PM (#17043739)
Sometimes they're fairly audible; try listening closely to re-runs of Arrested Development as an example, there are scenes with fairly loud high-pitched noises which I believe were listened for by some phone apps to try estimating viewership.
Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by derefr on Friday May 11, 2018 @01:31AM (#17045159)
Interestingly, though, if psychoacoustic compression was used in when reuploading a video, that 3000-6000Hz range might actually be restored—it’s less information if it’s there than if it’s not.

Similarly, if the video is heard through a phone line, the call might be using a symbolic voice codec, which would also restore the range (in the sense that it’s not even storing sound, just phonemes.)

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by shawn on Thursday May 10, 2018 @03:32PM (#17042228)
"Inaudible" doesn't necessarily mean a range outside of human hearing.

For example you could embed a 6kHz tone in a way that's inaudible to humans due to the other frequencies in the waveform.

Re:Alexa and Siri Can Hear Hidden Commands by sideshowb on Thursday May 10, 2018 @03:59PM (#17042436)
And promptly lose it to lossy compression