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Re:Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available by tannhaeuser on Thursday May 10, 2018 @05:35AM (#17037431)
On the desktop where you need to deal with WLAN interfaces going up and down, maybe a monstrosity like systemd has its place, but even there my opinion is systemd just isn't worth fragmenting and polarizing the whole Unix ecosystem with systemd's total lack of mental discipline and attitude of wrapping each and everything under the sun including binary logging, mandatory systemd-only APIs for loggin in, cron replacement, etc.

On the server-side where Linux has its mainstay, using systemd is even more pointless IMHO since services and network interfaces don't come and go. Loosing portability for saving a couple lines of shell code for starting/stopping services is IMHO a trade-off that just doesn't make sense from an engineering PoV. All the more so since systemd doesn't shield you from the intricacies of dealing with demon programs; if something is going south on your server, have fun with systemd binary logs to analyze what has happened.

Now RedHat (who are shouldering a large part of Linux development anyway) sure aren't stupid; therefore I have to conclude that they're playing the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish game here to subvert Linux into SystemD-OS.

Devuan has become a very important key project to prevent that from happening to the Debian code base. Btw congrats to the Devuan project! I wasn't quite sure they'd be able to deliver a couple years ago when they started; now I think Devuan (along with Gentoo, Slackware, Alpine) is going to save Linux' ass as a "real" F/OSS community effort going forward, no less. My hope is Arch Linux with its great community and documentation gets a systemd-less fork as well.

Re:Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available by digi_owl on Thursday May 10, 2018 @06:22AM (#17037634)
Systemd exist for two groups, macbook packing cypherpunks and devops "cattle farms".

All the rest have to grin and bear it until Pottering and crew gets bored, run into those corner cases that made the older systems so gnarly to maintain, and move on.

Re:Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available by tannhaeuser on Thursday May 10, 2018 @08:08AM (#17038118)
I hope you're wrong on systemd on a Mac. I have to assume its being used for systemd-under-(systemd-infested-linux)-under-virtualbox or systemd-under-docker (or even systemd-under-docker-under-<systemd-infested-linux>-under-virtualbox). systemd-under-docker is particularly pointless IMHO if it's even possible. Could someone using systemd on a Mac chime in and explain the use case?
Re:Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available by digi_owl on Thursday May 10, 2018 @08:34AM (#17038236)
Macs seems to be right behind Thinkpads in terms of Linux support, thanks to having fairly static hardware between models.

End result seems to be that quite a few either single or dual boot Linux on Mac.