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Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by tptacek on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @04:14PM (#17033582)
Alexander believes a lot of things. But you can just look up the stats on STEM fields yourself; they're not hard to find. There are STEM fields that approach parity, there are a couple in which women slightly lead men, and there are a bunch with more men than women. But CS is, by what to a casual glance looks like multiple stddevs, worse than the rest.

Unless math is "warmer" than CS --- it isn't --- this explanation doesn't hold much water.

Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by Veelox on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @04:50PM (#17033955)
He address that in the article

"Women are around 20% of CS majors, physics majors, engineering majors, etc – but almost half of math majors" ...

"I was totally confused by this for a while until a commenter directed me to the data on what people actually do with math degrees. The answer is mostly: they become math teachers. They work in elementary schools and high schools, with people.

Then all those future math teachers leave for the schools after undergrad, and so math grad school ends up with pretty much the same male-tilted gender balance as CS, physics, and engineering grad school."

Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by tptacek on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @05:04PM (#17034067)
No, the numbers hold up all the way to PhDs. Women aren't obtaining math PhD's to become "math teachers" (and, if you read my original comment, you can also predict that they aren't doing academic crypto research to go teach math either).
Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by chillee on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @05:27PM (#17034273)
Could you provide a citation on "the numbers hold up all the way to PhDs"?

I found https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/fraction-p...

Vs

https://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajor...

Over 40% undergraduate degrees go to women, while less than 30% of doctorates.

Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by tptacek on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @05:31PM (#17034317)
https://imgur.com/a/nNHqwsP

Science Magazine, "Expectations of brilliance underlie gender distributions across academic disciplines", vertical axis is PhDs, 2011 numbers.

If nothing else at this point I think we can put a bullet in the "they just want to be math teachers" hypothesis.

Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by aptwebapps on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:22AM (#17037173)
That url works, but no image loads.
Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by peoplewindow on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @04:37PM (#17033812)
Maths is clearly warmer. Go look at the stats for undergrad vs postgrad. There's a huge difference. Women get maths degrees to become teachers, more or less.
Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by tptacek on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @04:40PM (#17033852)
Women do not get math PhD's to become math teachers, nor do they publish cryptography research to do that.
Re:A female engineer's opinion on why there are fewer women ... by dllthomas on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:04PM (#17051610)
Playing devil's advocate, it's possible that someone winds up getting a PhD or publishing crypto research after finding out that they really like doing math, after initially choosing it with the intent to teach.

I have absolutely no idea whether that matches reality for enough people to make any kind of a difference.