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Re:The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers by ryanmonroe on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @12:00PM (#17030876)
> Investments need to have intrinsic value.

> there’s no value in any particular set of random numbers

What is the "intrinsic value" in e.g. an iPhone? Would that value exist without humans? I would say no, it only has value because people are willing to pay for it. So I'm left wondering what principled distinction you can draw between a particular set of random numbers and a particular arrangement of metal and glass, both of which people want, to determine that one has intrinsic value and one does not.

Re:The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers by gamblor956 on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @01:22PM (#17031729)
Intrinsic value is a value that derives from the use of properties of the thing. It's not a derived value that requires the imposition of an additional layer of context to make the property valuable.

The iPhone, or any other phone, has the intrinsic value of being usable as a computing device, entertainment device, communications device, camera, thrown weapon, etc. If you want to be pedantic about it, the components that make up the iPhone have the intrinsic values of being usable for one or more of the above functions, and the materials that go into those components have the intrinsic value of being usable in industrial/commercial products or processes.

A bitcoin literally has no use inherent use on its own. It's simply a number. The exchange of these numbers has no intrinsic value, it would be like me and Adam exchanging a 2 and a 3 (not dollars or anything other units, literally just the numbers). Any value from the exchange is an additional layer of context imposed by me and Adam on the transaction--it's not intrinsic to the bitcoin itself.

Re:The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers by ryanmonroe on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @02:01PM (#17032158)
> The iPhone, or any other phone, has the intrinsic value of being usable as a computing device, entertainment device, communications device, camera

Okay, but you're just shifting the value down the line. What makes computing or entertainment valuable, other than the fact that they are things humans want?

Re:The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers by acdha on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @12:33PM (#17031235)
iPhones do useful things which aren’t dependent on you selling them. There’s nothing which you can do with bitcoin other than buy things so it’s only valuable to the extent that it does that better than the alternatives.
Re:The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers by erdojo on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @01:51PM (#17032044)
You're comparing things that have no relation.