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Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by wjn0 on Monday May 07, 2018 @05:43PM (#17016706)
> The slippery slope fallacy isn't really a fallacy.

History shows that in the context of policy, especially that of a non-democratic authority, it isn't always a fallacy.

It seems absolutely absurd to me that YouTube should ban gun assembly videos. If the idea is to prevent "mass shooting"-type events (e.g. lone gunman, nonspecific victims targeted by social group), why would a website want to drive these videos further into the underground? It strikes me as sort of "selfish" - avoid responsibility, so a news anchor can't say "so-and-so learned how to assemble his AR-15 by watching videos on YouTube", much to the horror of the liberal retirees who still watch the news (/s).

I hope it doesn't become a trend.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by gnarbarian on Monday May 07, 2018 @05:53PM (#17016789)
Totally agree. Gun education, practice, and information make people with guns FAR SAFER.

When I buy a new stock/trigger/bolt carrier group I sure as hell appreciate a video showing me how to properly install it.

Hiding this information is the gun control equivalent of "abstinence only sex education".

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by yuchi on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @09:02AM (#17020581)
I have to agree with you — even if I am positively an anti-gun italian non-activist.

There’s a little problem in the fact that those video promote the ownership of guns, and makes them socially acceptable, which could be stated as one of the reasons shootings happen.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by gnarbarian on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @11:40AM (#17021734)
In most of the US gun ownership is socially acceptable and even celebrated. I think that's a good thing. If it were socially unacceptable we would have fewer people/representatives who were willing to stand up and support our gun rights publicly.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by commandlinefan on Monday May 07, 2018 @05:56PM (#17016804)
I think what he means is that the slippery slope concept isn't a fallacy, by the definition of the word. It may be wrong, but it's not a fallacy - that means something else.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by russdpale on Monday May 07, 2018 @06:21PM (#17016952)
It isnt the news they are scared of, its tort they are afraid of.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by wjn0 on Monday May 07, 2018 @09:45PM (#17018178)
Interestingly, from what I understand, by policing content, they actually open themselves up to MORE legal issues. Unfortunately I can't find a source for that right now, but I recall hearing about it in the context of DMCA takedowns, IIRC. Effectively, the argument is, if they have the ability to censor specific kinds of videos, they have to be equally stringent with every video uploaded. Or something.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by systoll on Monday May 07, 2018 @10:30PM (#17018368)
The DMCA contains 'safe harbor' exemptions from copyright laws for platforms that allow uploading of user generated content without prior approval, so long as the platform complies with 'DMCA takedown requests'.

But that's just the DMCA. Most laws don't contain provisions like that.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by tokyodude on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @01:40AM (#17019054)
wasn't that law just gutted by SESTA/FOSTA

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-congress-censored-...

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by systoll on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @07:24AM (#17028983)
Nope. The DMCA had and continues to protect service providers from copyright infringement claims when they reproduce user-submitted content, so long their services follow certain procedures. FOSTA has absolutely nothing to do with copyright.

FOSTA does, however, amend & weaken the safe harbour provisions of the Communications Decency Act. But those protections were never subject to the idea that monitoring users makes you more liable.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by Zak on Monday May 07, 2018 @06:46PM (#17017092)
Video sharing sites are generally protected from that kind of liability by section 230 of the CDA.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by s2g on Monday May 07, 2018 @06:32PM (#17017015)
Because banning undesirable communities works. It works well. It doesn't drive them underground, it destroys their ability to easily congregate and damages them. It hurts their ability to casually attract new members. It causes them to lose members who don't know how to get back.

It's disruptive.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by AmericanChopper on Monday May 07, 2018 @07:34PM (#17017373)
Aside from the fact that you’re wrong (censoring people doesn’t surpress views, it only emboldens the people the hold them, and generates sympathy from others who don’t), the idea that you think you can identify ‘undesirable communities’, and that you think they should be banned is entirely tyrannical.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by ShabbosGoy on Monday May 07, 2018 @06:37PM (#17017049)
The Nazi Party and SA were banned organizations in Weimar Germany.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by vkou on Monday May 07, 2018 @07:03PM (#17017194)
The Nazi party was banned in 1923, and the ban was lifted in 1925.

So, not really.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by remarkEon on Monday May 07, 2018 @10:50PM (#17018449)
...and you don’t think that those two events are related?
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by vkou on Monday May 07, 2018 @11:23PM (#17018578)
It was a time-gated, 2 year ban. It wasn't lifted 'just because.'

During the period that they were banned, they formed a shell party, the National Socialist Freedom Movement, which won a stunning 6%, followed by 3% of the vote (In the two 1924 elections). After the ban was lifted, the next election was in 1928, where they won 2.8% of the vote. Much good that ban did them, eh?

I'm not sure how your point follows from the facts.

Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by remarkEon on Monday May 07, 2018 @11:37PM (#17018630)
Point taken. The meta point still seems to stand though, which is that bans are ineffective.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by walshemj on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @11:09AM (#17021418)
By a compliant judge as was the trial of the putschists Hitler was allowed to use the trial as propaganda and got a very soft sentence.
Re:Tech watchdogs call on Facebook, Google for transparency ... by vkou on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @01:40PM (#17022853)
I suppose the moral of the story is that if you have enough of the judiciary in your pocket, then being a banned terrorist organization does not preclude you from eventually winning a minority government, and staging a coup?