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Re:Surviving Your 40s by modernerd on Monday May 07, 2018 @07:08AM (#17011790)
I see the appeal of road cycling and I investigated it (I'm in a bike-friendly city that hosts road cycling events) but feel put off by:

- Sharing roads with fast heavy vehicles at speed.

- Lycra.

- The expense. A good road bike seems to cost ~10× more than a great skateboard or longboard (but about the same as an electric longboard).

- Friends who've had big crashes on the road; intuitively it feels like it should be safer than mountain biking, but I'm not so sure.

Re:Surviving Your 40s by jacquesm on Monday May 07, 2018 @09:16AM (#17012439)
> Sharing roads with fast heavy vehicles at speed.

Carefully plot your routes.

> Lycra.

No need for that bs, a t-shirt, jeans and good shoes are all you need.

> The expense. A good road bike seems to cost ~10× more than a great skateboard or longboard (but about the same as an electric longboard).

You can buy great used bikes for relatively little money. I just bought a top of the line roadbike that's a bit older for $200 which I used regularly, another for $150, which I converted into a hometrainer:

https://jacquesmattheij.com/trainification

Don't fret about the quality of the bike, until you reach competition level it is totally unimportant. I regularly pass people on much better bikes with all the goodies and just yesterday I in turn was passed by someone in at least their sixties on a bike that was much older than mine and I wouldn't have been able to catch him no matter how hard I tried. The bike rarely matters.

> Friends who've had big crashes on the road; intuitively it feels like it should be safer than mountain biking, but I'm not so sure.

I've crashed pretty hard about 2 years ago. It was my own fault, riding a recumbent on a regular road. Still, I got lucky, broke my leg badly but nothing else.

Re:Surviving Your 40s by shortoncash on Monday May 07, 2018 @11:21AM (#17013384)
You probably already know this, but if you're road cycling any distance at all, lycra is your friend. When you cross 85-100mi, the quality of your clothing makes all the difference in the world.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by jacquesm on Monday May 07, 2018 @11:32AM (#17013508)
The vast majority of the people I see riding on Saturdays and Sundays on their $4K bikes dressed out like they're leading the charge for the Tour de France tend to do distances where there really is no difference in what you wear. My own trips max out at about 100k / day and I'm far more worried about sunburn, flats, insect swarms or getting caught in bad weather than I am about skin abrasion, absorption or cooling.

If you do go for competition cycling then maybe it is worth it to you to spend the extra $ but for the most part it seems to me that people just love to have an excuse to spend their $ to look like they are professional athletes.

Their bellies usually tell a different story, but fortunately for them lycra seems to stretch really well ;)

Re:Surviving Your 40s by rhizome on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:03PM (#17015472)
You ride 100KM in jeans without chafing?
Re:Surviving Your 40s by jacquesm on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:53PM (#17015932)
Yes, absolutely no problem. Did it this Sunday, and many others besides.

The only time I've had chafing issues was when doing a circle around the 'IJsselmeer' in one day. That was bad. But I was also peeing green and out for the count for the next day so enough time to heal up :)

Re:Surviving Your 40s by wink on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:48PM (#17015887)
Learn from MTB riders - padded lycra pants and some shorts on top :) Doesn't look completely ridiculous and still comfortable after 3h.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by rhizome on Monday May 07, 2018 @04:34PM (#17016266)
I'm a pot-bellied Fred who wears full spandex and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by wink on Monday May 07, 2018 @05:27PM (#17016605)
I applaud you, I just don't like it, so I'll compromise - I'm only judging my own looks :)
Re:Surviving Your 40s by rhizome on Monday May 07, 2018 @05:54PM (#17016794)
I don't doubt that it looks ridiculous, merely because the opinion is so widely held and expressed, but function dictates form in this instance.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by jacquesm on Monday May 07, 2018 @06:00PM (#17016836)
Well, you've got my vote. I merely wanted to point out that an expensive outfit is not a requirement to starting out cycling and that you can do some pretty good rides without. If it works for you then that's great, and I'm happy to see you cycling, whatever you're wearing. The activity is what matters. If you ever make it to my neck of the woods consider yourself invited for a trip.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by mixmastamyk on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @10:29PM (#17027031)
Who said anything about jeans? Try the Nike store.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by collyw on Monday May 07, 2018 @04:47PM (#17016355)
To be fair a half decent set of cycle shorts will be lycra and have a padded crotch. You can get quite sweaty on a longs, so the lycra reduces chaffing and the padding just makes things more comfortable. I usually wear something over the top as its not a good look on guys in my opinion, but they are pretty practical.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by modernerd on Monday May 07, 2018 @12:13PM (#17013908)
Thank you for this — you've made me think again, and I enjoyed your blog post.

Just need to find somewhere to store a road bike along with the skis, skateboards, snowboards, and mountain bikes now…

Re:Surviving Your 40s by jacquesm on Monday May 07, 2018 @12:14PM (#17013922)
An easy fix for the storage problem is to hoist them up against the garage ceiling or to hang them on a wall. If you're really space constrained you can always drop out the wheels and store those separately, that only takes a few seconds. Make sure you tighten the clamps well after putting the wheels in, that will take some trial and error in the beginning.

Another thing, if you're shopping for bikes is to check for new-old-stock, sometimes you can get crazy discounts on bikes that are only one or two years old thanks to the 'fashionista's' who wouldn't be caught dead on a bike that isn't of the latest model year and in the latest colors.

Re:Surviving Your 40s by VLM on Monday May 07, 2018 @08:43AM (#17012247)
I hike many rail-to-trail conversions on asphalt, sometimes gravel, thru the mountains, sharing the paved trail with roughly equal numbers of bikers. That solves many of your problems, while creating others. It would be financially advisable to research fees if any as tickets can be expensive. If you like bicycling in groups/crowds you enter the trail in a urban area, if you want to experience empty trails enter the trail from a rural farm county park.

I don't road bike but AFAIK the cheapest way to have a bike that weighs one pound less isn't hyper-expensive materials but diet based weight loss about a month ago. In the spirit of the old weight lifting joke, or maybe wisdom, that illegal steroid use might make you look like you have an extra year's lifting experience while causing significant medical problems, and in that context the medically safest replacement for illegal steroid use that gets you to the same place without any medical danger is simply to start lifting one year earlier, and a lot of money is made in the market convincing people that patience is not an alternative.

Re:Surviving Your 40s by bigwheeler on Monday May 07, 2018 @09:14AM (#17012428)
THIS. There has been an explosion in rail trails development over the last decade or so. Check out https://www.railstotrails.org for help finding one. Also, pick up a gravel or touring bike from a company like surly or salsa, and it becomes less about the weight of your bike and more about where you can go...
Re:Surviving Your 40s by gerad on Monday May 07, 2018 @07:44AM (#17011964)
Mountain biking is wayyy safer. You're way more likely to get bruises and bumps, but much less likely to get put in the hospital for a month (or worse).
Re:Surviving Your 40s by Haydos585x2 on Monday May 07, 2018 @08:05AM (#17012068)
You don't need to become a MAMIL or even buy expensive gear to road ride. I cycle on a $250 mountain bike in running shorts and a singlet. I'll wear jeans and a jumper if it's cold. Crashes are a reality, the same as driving a car. I've never had a crash with another road user, sometimes people don't see me but they don't see me in my car or motorbike either. You can ride with lights and hi-vis gear if you feel the need to.
Re:Surviving Your 40s by shortoncash on Monday May 07, 2018 @11:24AM (#17013414)
Pothole crashes happen; it's easy to get mental hypnosis out there on the long rides. Route selection and choosing a low traffic time of day is your best defense against cars, but some drivers are just bad drivers. There's no dodging that risk, but it helps if you're willing to drive out of your way to find empty, nice routes.