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Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by Animats on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:35PM (#16990196)
Marx's comments on capitalism are still useful. His solutions didn't work out well.

But maybe that was just Russia. Since 1900, Russia has had an emperor, liberal communism, dictatorial communism, bureaucratic communism, liberal democracy, oligarchic plutocracy, and capitalist dictatorship. None worked all that well.

China now seems to have something that works, after a long painful period of Maoism.

Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by Lionsion on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:39PM (#16990223)
> Marx's comments on capitalism are still useful. His solutions didn't work out well.

> Russia ... China ...

IIRC, those "solutions" weren't his. They were dictatorships that took up central planning with a veneer of Marx.

> China now seems to have something that works, after a long painful period of Maoism.

Contemporary China has nothing to do with Marxism. It's basically an oligarchical state with its own business interests that rules over a capitalist economy.

Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by jeffreyrogers on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:53PM (#16990330)
Centralization is kind of inherent to communism though.
Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by Lionsion on Thursday May 03, 2018 @06:15PM (#16990501)
> Centralization is kind of inherent to communism though.

Care to elucidate? My understanding it that only seems to be true if you exclusively argue from the examples of historical 20th-century regimes that labeled themselves "communist," but that's flawed perspective.

Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by jeffreyrogers on Friday May 04, 2018 @10:41AM (#16994898)
Marx says as much in his writings, calling for the centralization of credit, communication, transport, factories, agriculture, and education in the state.
Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by AstralStorm on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:48AM (#16992888)
Collectivism specifically. At some point centralisation is unavoidable as the whole thing would be unmanageable.

Whether it is technical, legal or political (or all of the above) differs.

Re:Marx’s diagnosis of capitalism’s flaws is surprisingly re... by dragonwriter on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:54PM (#16991639)
> But maybe that was just Russia.

Russia tried Lenin’s solutions, which are both different from and applicable to different problems than Marx’s.

Marx’s solution to a precapitalist economy like Tsarist Russia would be...capitalism.

More precisely, the next step in Marx's model toward the Communist end state would be capitalism, not socialism.