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Re:Stephen Hawking's Final Paper Cuts the Multiverse Down to... by whytaka on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:13PM (#16987236)
It's an oft-repeated argument but I lean heavily towards Math, as notation and application, as something discovered not invented, while Math as that which is seemingly present in everything that ever happens, as the fundamental basis of our reality.

It would make sense to me that reality, encapsulating all that exists, "is" because "it must be", like Math.

Re:Stephen Hawking's Final Paper Cuts the Multiverse Down to... by discreteevent on Thursday May 03, 2018 @01:05PM (#16987703)
I'm from the opposite side of the house: Reality is primary. Math is one of the tools we use to work with it.
Re:Stephen Hawking's Final Paper Cuts the Multiverse Down to... by kazinator on Thursday May 03, 2018 @07:08PM (#16990833)
All of the rigorous descriptions of reality consist of math; the deeper we delve into it, the more math there is. So far, no non-math stuff been found. There is nothing to contradict a suspicion that it's just math all the way to the bottom (if there is a bottom) or else just math all the way.