Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care brings huge benefits

Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by sykh on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:45PM (#16978794)

That, even if true, does not support your argument. You need to show that the inefficiency in a universal care system in a country as large as the U.S is greater than the current system that we have. The evidence is that this is not true.

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Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by fastball on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @01:38PM (#16979304)

I don't need to show that, as I am not the one advocating a fundamental restructuring of the status quo.

You need to show that the policies implemented in other countries will continue to work efficiently at the scale of the US, as you are the one advocating that course of action.

"This policy worked well in [some place that is not the US]" just isn't good enough.

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Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by beagle3 on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @01:49PM (#16979450)

This claim, taken ad absurdum, is equivalent to “you can never conclude anything from prior examples because conditions are different”.

And you have, in fact, gone ad absurdum.

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Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by fastball on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @03:28PM (#16980361)

You can't definitively conclude anything about example B from the results of example A if the two examples are different.

That's not what I'm saying though. All I'm asking is for you to show me how you will mitigate the problems that will crop up when you try to implement a similar system to the UKs at the scale of the US, because the US has 5x the population of the UK. That's not a negligible difference in scale, and if this can't be shown at all, that is a problem.

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Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by beagle3 on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @03:50PM (#16980557)

You assert that problems will crop up, but fail to mention which problems. You are arguing that any data anyone brings up is irrelevant, without bringing up any data.

You keep comparing the UK to the US, but a much more apt comparison is e.g. UK to CA, and the entire EU to the entire US. UK has twice the population of CA, and better bang/buck and health outcomes. EU compares similarly to the entire US.

The EU is at this point in time, a federation slightly more disjoint but ultimately of similar structure to the US.

Why not build an independent single payer healthcare system in each US state, with reciprocity among them? That is directly comparable to the european system, and has been shown to scale and work efficiently and well.

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Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by sykh on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @02:26PM (#16979799)

You asserted an explanation for something. I showed that your assertion was not logically supported by your statements.

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